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Lol, I'm sorry for the misleading title and anyone who's been following my posts knows I put absolutely no stock in the in historical accuracy of the bible. But... with a very liberal reinterpretation of Genesis and if I take into account some of the ignorance of the people who wrote it I think you'll find what follows very interesting :) .

(NIV) Genesis 1 said:
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”
7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.
8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so.
10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.
12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,
15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.
16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,
18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”
21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”
23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

Okay, so there's genesis 1. Now taking into account for a moment that we can't take any of this literally and we even have to reword and and even reorder much of this, it isn't actually that far off. Allow me to demonstrate...



(NIV) Genesis 1 said:
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (This is post Big Bang and includes the stars)
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
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Okay, here's where it gets interesting. That, is a Pre-Solar nebula in the middle of a massive Molecular Cloud. The particles surrounding it (the cloud part) will eventually become planets and that includes our Earth. So at this point the Earth is without form. Now there is no surface of the water and it's obvious that the author meant "Water" like in the ocean. Now one could easily interpret the "Deep" as space, but space is still not full of water... or is it? No, not in the sense that the author meant, but the three most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen, Helium and Oxygen. Hydrogen and Helium are needed for fusion to make stars. This is elementary but Hydrogen and Oxygen make water. Introduce Hydrogen into any Oxygen rich environment and the first thing it wants to do is bond to the Oxygen. Hydrogen is a very sentimental element, it likes bonding :) . Unfortunately you need stars for Oxygen because it's created when they die. But, yes... because of this Space, IS actually full of water. That's how Comets are formed, that's why 3 out of the 4 planets in our inner solar system have it or or have had it in the past, Space, is full of water!

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. (You may attribute this to the moment Hydrogen fusion begins in our sun)
4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. (and here's why, we're talking about the light that will be used to gauge night and day, not all light)
5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Well, actually WE called the light day and the darkness night, but that comes later. As for now we will eventually use this light to determine the passage of days so we can let that one go.)
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault (Raqia/Fermerment) between the waters to separate water from water.” (This could be considered the point when the earth formed the magnetic field which would help to shield us from the deadly solar rays.)
7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. (There is no above and below but the particles that make it in from the sun accumulate at the north and south poles of the planet resulting in the North and South Auroras so, these could be considered the top and bottom of our planet)
8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day. (Again, we called it sky, but it's really our atmosphere and here we can just call it Earth's Gravitational Field)
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. (Even meteors are made partially of water and as it turns out Jupiter's Gravitational Field is so great that it effects everything that comes near it, and that means meteors from the Asteroid belt. And being that it was more crowded back in the day, that would have caused a period of "Heavy Bombardment" on Earth. The water released from the inbound astral bodies of all kinds would have accumulated but due to the Earth's extreme temperature at the time it wouldn't have created oceans yet. The combination of water accumulation and high temperature of the planet would have made it rain, world wide, on end for millions of years until the planet cooled enough to form bodies of water, and eventually oceans. As for the dry land, nothing on the surface of the planet was like what we know today and the Granite that makes up the continents wasn't around at all. So when the granite began to create land masses this is the "dry land" that we eventually come to familiarize ourselves with.

10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good. (see above)
10.5 And god created Life and said let the life evolve and it did, and let the life create after it's own kind and it was so. (which is why things can't evolve into different kinds lol. Evolution is decent with modification, so everything that ever evolved is nothing more than a modified version of what ever came before, and because of that it's still part of the same family... as in... after it's own kind? I'm not really adding anything here because it says God created life, I just generalized "Life". When god created life he also created Evolution and as things evolve the separate into different "Kinds" but are always after their own "Kind".)

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce (evolve) vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. (This has to move down... after 22, somewhere around 25.)
12 The land produced (evolved) vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. (move this with 11)
13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, (well since stars have already been created this must be out of order... move this up to between 1 and 2... that should be about right)
15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. (this one too, right after the last one)
16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. (These should be separated, the creation of the sun should appear right before "Let there be Light". The creation of the Moon is quite a different event altogether. We think a mass about the size of Mars which we call "Thea" sort of "Glanced" into the earth and because both were so hot they were molten a great deal of matter sort of "Gloopped" into space and began to orbit the Earth. As time went on that matter would condense into our Moon. This event should be moved up, before the formation of the oceans.)
17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,
18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. (move 17 and 18 with the Moon event)
19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.”
21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. (This is all Evolution now, and obviously in the wrong order, the ocean creatures should be moved to after the creation of Oceans... but otherwise it's pretty close (remember to leave out the mention of specific things like Whales) the birds event must move down after 25 because Dinosaurs evolved into Birds.)
22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” (separate and move accordingly)
23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
24 And God said, “Let the land produce (evolve) living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. (But not separate until they separate from each other via evolution)
26 Then God said, “Let us (Evolve) make (Hominid Kind) mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

Okay, now remember to throw out the whole six day thing, reorder accordingly and you're good. Notice I didn't delete anything... it's just out of order, and some things needed to be interpreted different or explained deeper... but that doesn't mean it's necessarily "wrong".

People have been interpreting the bible for thousands of years and even taking votes on it's contents. Now, you may still interpret it literally, as long as you know it's in the wrong order slightly and that this whole process took billions and billions and billions of years... not days. Otherwise, it actually is fairly accurate.
 

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It's just another "If you interpret in such and such a way, it can be meshed with science."

Doesn't allow us to predict how a particular passage needs to be interpreted until AFTER science comes in and provides the evidence. And there's absolutely no reason to believe that the original authors intended for this interpretation to be the correct one.
 
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Lol, I'm sorry for the misleading title and anyone who's been following my posts knows I put absolutely no stock in the in historical accuracy of the bible. But... with a very liberal reinterpretation of Genesis and if I take into account some of the ignorance of the people who wrote it I think you'll find what follows very interesting :) .


Okay, so there's genesis 1. Now taking into account for a moment that we can't take any of this literally and we even have to reword and and even reorder much of this, it isn't actually that far off. Allow me to demonstrate...




Okay, now remember to throw out the whole six day thing, reorder accordingly and you're good. Notice I didn't delete anything... it's just out of order, and some things needed to be interpreted different or explained deeper... but that doesn't mean it's necessarily "wrong".

People have been interpreting the bible for thousands of years and even taking votes on it's contents. Now, you may still interpret it literally, as long as you know it's in the wrong order slightly and that this whole process took billions and billions and billions of years... not days. Otherwise, it actually is fairly accurate.

No. The order is absolutely correct.
 
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So...water doesn't inhabit planet Earth until the 9th verse? And the other mentions of water previously(verses 7, 6 and 2) were not actually water on planet Earth?

The question I pose to you, if we knew nothing that we did from science, how would anyone have found your crazy interpretation in those verses?

If God did write that chapter to mean what you interpreted it as, he has got to be one of the worst communicators in existence.
 
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Okay, so there's genesis 1. Now taking into account for a moment that we can't take any of this literally...
Why not? is your Ph.D. getting in the way?
 
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It's just another "If you interpret in such and such a way, it can be meshed with science."

Doesn't allow us to predict how a particular passage needs to be interpreted until AFTER science comes in and provides the evidence. And there's absolutely no reason to believe that the original authors intended for this interpretation to be the correct one.
The original authors didn't intend it to be read this way. They intended it to be read exactly the way it was written. But bear in mind that was before we found out the earth isn't flat. If they were indeed divinely inspired by visions or the "word" then I wouldn't need to reorder it or reinterpret it either. If they were inspired by the beauty and majesty of nature then it's obvious why they got some things wrong... lack of understanding. It's not their fault really. Even as science develops we're only just now starting to understand some of these things and I'm pretty sure the Thea and Big Bang theories will need revised at some point.

No. The order is absolutely correct.
No, it isn't and even an elementary understanding of science shows us why not.

So...water doesn't inhabit planet Earth until the 9th verse? And the other mentions of water previously(verses 7, 6 and 2) were not actually water on planet Earth?

The question I pose to you, if we knew nothing that we did from science, how would anyone have found your crazy interpretation in those verses?

If God did write that chapter to mean what you interpreted it as, he has got to be one of the worst communicators in existence.
Do want a reasonable explanation? People have been playing telephone with the bible verses for so long the wording and order got distorted. Oooooooooor... maybe our primitive human brains are simply unable to comprehend god's divine word and that's where it got distorted. Or maybe god's method of communication was to give us earth, nature and everything and we saw it, being ignorant primitives we interpreted it wrong, and it's wasn't until we had a better understanding of nature that we'd be able to grasp it all.

I don't know, why do you think it's wrong?

Why not? is your Ph.D. getting in the way?
No, but my rational understanding of how things work IS getting in the way. That, and if there is a God... I don't think he'd want me wasting my brain on being willfully ignorant ;) . So I've come to a conclusion... either God had a hand in the natural mechanisms that resulted in everything and the bible is simply wrong because we left it up to ignorant, opinionated and/or politically motivated Humans to write it. Or there is no God and these people just made this stuff up to manipulate the populations they had become a part of. (See reign of Lord Constantine)
 
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So...water doesn't inhabit planet Earth until the 9th verse? And the other mentions of water previously(verses 7, 6 and 2) were not actually water on planet Earth?

The question I pose to you, if we knew nothing that we did from science, how would anyone have found your crazy interpretation in those verses?

If God did write that chapter to mean what you interpreted it as, he has got to be one of the worst communicators in existence.

The "water" in verse 2 does not mean H2O.

H2O appeared in verse 6. But ocean begins at verse 9.
 
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Do want a reasonable explanation? People have been playing telephone with the bible verses for so long the wording and order got distorted. Oooooooooor... maybe our primitive human brains are simply unable to comprehend god's divine word and that's where it got distorted. Or maybe god's method of communication was to give us earth, nature and everything and we saw it, being ignorant primitives we interpreted it wrong, and it's wasn't until we had a better understanding of nature that we'd be able to grasp it all.

I don't know, why do you think it's wrong?

That's a ridiculous argument. If God wanted us to know, then he would have communicated it to us properly in a way such that stone age humans wouldn't misinterpret it.

And if you want to take the "God inspired men to write it in a way such that they wouldn't understand it back in those times, but so that we would understand it in these modern times", that is also a ridiculous argument. In this case, the Bible wouldn't have been able to teach us anything and if we couldn't find it's meaning until after we found these scientific truths in reality, then either:

a) God was a horrible communicator OR the more likely
b) Genesis 1:26 was not written to be interpreted in that way

Now I'll ask you for a another level of evidence. How come your justification is the correct one? How come your justification is more truthful than the literal one?
 
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The "water" in verse 2 does not mean H2O.

H2O appeared in verse 6. But ocean begins at verse 9.

Why? What is your reason for interpretting it in that way?

This is what I see:

2. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

6. And God said, “Let there be a vault (Raqia/Fermerment) between the waters to separate water from water.”

7. So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8. God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

Water is H2O, it is not the "water in space". Any "water" in space would be in the form of ice, which is not water. It is ice. In addition, it mentions a surface which is suggested to have water on it. As far as we know, this is only possible in a earth-like environment, which requires an atmosphere and other things which makes our planet unique and suitable for life/water. So your argument breaks down right there.

And based off that, it can be safe to assume that verse 6 and 7 also mean the waters on our earth. This is backed up by verse eight, where this explanation clearly is describing the separation of the oceans and the atmosphere(by its mentioning of sky).

Therefore, the ordering breaks down and is inconsistent with science and what we know. Your interpretations on Earths magnetic fields and aurora's are flawed and this is backed up by what I've discussed above.

You can't make sense of Genesis, it was an ancient cultures creation story. They didn't have the luxury of science that we had today, and this was most likely the best explanation they could come up with. That is most likely the truth.
 
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Lol, I'm sorry for the misleading title and anyone who's been following my posts knows I put absolutely no stock in the in historical accuracy of the bible. But... with a very liberal reinterpretation of Genesis and if I take into account some of the ignorance of the people who wrote it I think you'll find what follows very interesting :) .


Okay, so there's genesis 1. Now taking into account for a moment that we can't take any of this literally and we even have to reword and and even reorder much of this, it isn't actually that far off. Allow me to demonstrate...


Okay, now remember to throw out the whole six day thing, reorder accordingly and you're good. Notice I didn't delete anything... it's just out of order, and some things needed to be interpreted different or explained deeper... but that doesn't mean it's necessarily "wrong".

People have been interpreting the bible for thousands of years and even taking votes on it's contents. Now, you may still interpret it literally, as long as you know it's in the wrong order slightly and that this whole process took billions and billions and billions of years... not days. Otherwise, it actually is fairly accurate.

Hogwash the bible is the inspired word of God.
 
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That's a ridiculous argument. If God wanted us to know, then he would have communicated it to us properly in a way such that stone age humans wouldn't misinterpret it.
You mean like this?

John 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.

Yet the people "misinterpreted" it as:

John 12:29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.

If you think God shouting from the sky that He is God is going to change minds around here, you don't know the book of Revelation.

QV please:
What if Jesus came back today and performed every single miracle that He performed when He was here before --- and more?

  1. healed the sick --- cleared out any hospital He went into
  2. raised the dead --- cleared out any funeral home and graveyard He went into
  3. increased lunches 5000-fold ex materia
  4. told you everything about yourself without hesitation, even stuff you didn't know
  5. walked through solid objects
  6. walked on water
  7. halted an earthquake in progress
  8. held interviews
  9. walked through hostile crowds untouched
  10. died and resurrected
If, just before He ascended back to Heaven, He held one last interview for scientists, and told them:
What more can I do, so that you will conclude that I am God, and not someone from another planet?
What would be your question and/or challenge for Him?

The point of this thread is to show that there is NOTHING within science today that can be presented as either proof, or sufficient evidence, that Jesus is God, and that He created this earth ex nihilo. If you are going to accept Him, it will have to be by faith --- not sight.
 
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The "water" in verse 2 does not mean H2O.

H2O appeared in verse 6. But ocean begins at verse 9.
It's the same Hebrew word for water used repeatedly throughout the bible and means the same thing. MAH-yeem (מים) is both the ancient and modern word for water and it means primordial liquid water in both cases. If you refer to the Flood it's again the same word used here. It means water, H2O!
So, why not?
Read the OP again. Tell me what part you're having issue with and I'll explain it better.
 
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Why? What is your reason for interpretting it in that way?

This is what I see:

2. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

6. And God said, “Let there be a vault (Raqia/Fermerment) between the waters to separate water from water.”

7. So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

8. God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

Water is H2O, it is not the "water in space". Any "water" in space would be in the form of ice, which is not water. It is ice. In addition, it mentions a surface which is suggested to have water on it. As far as we know, this is only possible in a earth-like environment, which requires an atmosphere and other things which makes our planet unique and suitable for life/water. So your argument breaks down right there.

And based off that, it can be safe to assume that verse 6 and 7 also mean the waters on our earth. This is backed up by verse eight, where this explanation clearly is describing the separation of the oceans and the atmosphere(by its mentioning of sky).

Therefore, the ordering breaks down and is inconsistent with science and what we know. Your interpretations on Earths magnetic fields and aurora's are flawed and this is backed up by what I've discussed above.

You can't make sense of Genesis, it was an ancient cultures creation story. They didn't have the luxury of science that we had today, and this was most likely the best explanation they could come up with. That is most likely the truth.

Water is H2O. Ice is H2O. Water is in space. For example, water is also on Mars.

What else?
 
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It's the same Hebrew word for water used repeatedly throughout the bible and means the same thing. MAH-yeem (מים) is both the ancient and modern word for water and it means primordial liquid water in both cases. If you refer to the Flood it's again the same word used here. It means water, H2O!

Read the OP again. Tell me what part you're having issue with and I'll explain it better.

Yes, the same word. Just like the "earth" in verse 1, it does not mean our earth. But it is the same word.

The same word, in a dictionary may have several meanings. Why? Why not use different word for each of the meanings?
 
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That's a ridiculous argument. If God wanted us to know, then he would have communicated it to us properly in a way such that stone age humans wouldn't misinterpret it.

And if you want to take the "God inspired men to write it in a way such that they wouldn't understand it back in those times, but so that we would understand it in these modern times", that is also a ridiculous argument. In this case, the Bible wouldn't have been able to teach us anything and if we couldn't find it's meaning until after we found these scientific truths in reality, then either:

a) God was a horrible communicator OR the more likely
b) Genesis 1:26 was not written to be interpreted in that way

Now I'll ask you for a another level of evidence. How come your justification is the correct one? How come your justification is more truthful than the literal one?
It's not. It's just an interpretation. I actually have very different views than this. This is to gauge people's reaction to what I did. It's interesting to note that despite it making sense no one else has said the same thing. It's also interesting that books have been written to try and make sense of genesis 1 and people don't really subscribe to those either. Now what's really interesting is the only interpretation of genesis that people will subscribe to is the one that doesn't make sense and that the one that's actually in the bible.

Yes, the same word. Just like the "earth" in verse 1, it does not mean our earth. But it is the same word.

The same word, in a dictionary may have several meanings. Why? Why not use different word for each of the meanings?
Not in Hebrew. In Hebrew water means water every time and they have different words for different kinds of water just like the ones you used, such as ice and sea. Now "earth" (ארץ) 'erets does have more than one meaning and one happens to be "country". But that's not what Genesis states here, here's it's meant as "Earth".
 
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It's not. It's just an interpretation. I actually have very different views than this. This is to gauge people's reaction to what I did. It's interesting to note that despite it making sense no one else has said the same thing. It's also interesting that books have been written to try and make sense of genesis 1 and people don't really subscribe to those either. Now what's really interesting is the only interpretation of genesis that people will subscribe to is the one that doesn't make sense and that the one that's actually in the bible.


Not in Hebrew. In Hebrew water means water every time and they have different words for different kinds of water just like the ones you used, such as ice and sea. Now "earth" (ארץ) 'erets does have more than one meaning and one happens to be "country". But that's not what Genesis states here, here's it's meant as "Earth".

They don't have a word for the "water" in verse 2. We do not have it either.

The best word for it, is "water".

How do you describe the status of material at about 1 second (or 1 minute) after the Big Bang?
 
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They don't have a word for the "water" in verse 2. We do not have it either.

The best word for it, is "water".

How do you describe the status of material at about 1 second (or 1 minute) after the Big Bang?
Hmmm, good question, I've never tried *takes a moment to research big bang theory* ....

Okay... "Subatomic".

Attempting to witness it though would have been futile because there would be no light. Protons didn't begin to form until after the expansion of the singularity and it makes me wonder for how long were they active enough to be visible. Although it might have looked something like a cloud in every variety of color imaginable... or just plain white since protons at their most active are white or perhaps starting at white and shifting in all frequencies of the electromagnetic color spectrum until they vanished and all was dark or maybe they weren't active enough to be visible and it was just dark until the stars began to form. I don't know.

So there's a correction to the op :) but since I still don't know enough about it I'll save that until I do.
 
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