God said, "Let there be light." But the sun and stars etc were not made until later. Jesus said he is the light of the world. When God said, "Let there be light,' was that the beginning of Jesus?
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Since Yeshua is HaShem and HaShem has no beginning and no end, then no, it was not the beginning of Yeshua....
but to address the existance of light without the Sun and stars....
in Revelations it says that in the new heaven and new earth there will be no sun/moon as there will be no need for their light.... because of G-d's presence!! Hallelujah!!
Rev 21
22 I saw no Temple in the city, for ADONAI, God of heaven's armies, is its Temple, as is the Lamb. 23 The city has no need for the sun or the moon to shine on it, because God's Sh'khinah gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.
Rev 22
5 Night will no longer exist, so they will need neither the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because AD-NAI, G-d, will shine upon them. And they will reign as kings forever and ever.
but to address the existance of light without the Sun and stars....
in Revelations it says that in the new heaven and new earth there will be no sun/moon as there will be no need for their light.... because of G-d's presence!! Hallelujah!!
Rev 21
22 I saw no Temple in the city, for ADONAI, God of heaven's armies, is its Temple, as is the Lamb. 23 The city has no need for the sun or the moon to shine on it, because God's Sh'khinah gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.
Rev 22
5 Night will no longer exist, so they will need neither the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because AD-NAI, G-d, will shine upon them. And they will reign as kings forever and ever.
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well one never knows - he may never have had the opportunity for the introspection that moved him to become that rarest of birds, an honest intellectual Jewish Conservative! I think the world needs one more of those more than it needs one more hit comedian 
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But God said, "Let there be Light," as if He was bringing it into existance. Do you think so?
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some people say thats is a good argument for a literal seven day creation because once he created the earth ready to produce, he only had about 24 hours to wait to make the sun and start photosynthesis.... have you ever gone to the creation institute? they have some awesome scientific studies for us....
http://www.icr.org/articles/view/545/233/
http://www.icr.org/articles/view/545/233/
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Yuan,
If you read the text carefully, light was being separated from darkness as it was being created. The darkness was over the land / earth but we must bear in mind the issue of perspective (like sun rise etc). Given the illusiveness of the nature of light to fall into any known category, particle or wave both and neither... it is apparently the stuff in common with both the universe and eternity.
I know this sounds like a page right out of Star Trek... but bear with me...
What the humanists behind those TV scripts call parallel universes, the Bible calls eternity / heaven / the spirit realm.
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
We in the physical, finite universe think of things needing a source (like birth for example... it is difficult to imagine God always existing without beginning or end). So to presume light has to come from stellar bodies alone is really a rather simple approach to a very complex and illusive subject (light).
If you read the text carefully, light was being separated from darkness as it was being created. The darkness was over the land / earth but we must bear in mind the issue of perspective (like sun rise etc). Given the illusiveness of the nature of light to fall into any known category, particle or wave both and neither... it is apparently the stuff in common with both the universe and eternity.
I know this sounds like a page right out of Star Trek... but bear with me...
What the humanists behind those TV scripts call parallel universes, the Bible calls eternity / heaven / the spirit realm.
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
We in the physical, finite universe think of things needing a source (like birth for example... it is difficult to imagine God always existing without beginning or end). So to presume light has to come from stellar bodies alone is really a rather simple approach to a very complex and illusive subject (light).
What we perceive as light is a reflection (if you will) of the nature of another realm (heaven). Here it is like a universe filled with candles, in heaven it is what eternity consists of. And the Genesis account was more or less the creation of the capacity for the physical to accommodate the spiritual. I think of it more or less like God breathing life into the universe... which was until that point a lifeless hulk.
It was this process that started the cycles of nature etc. not that the universe is a living being but is alive in the sense that plant life is... if you get my meaning.
So, "let there be light {here}" imho would be a fair (if not accurate) interpretation... the sources of current light being mere candles compared to stars... and the 24 hour "day and evening" simply mean the earth was already in a rotation aspect to the vent of light from the other realm.
It was this process that started the cycles of nature etc. not that the universe is a living being but is alive in the sense that plant life is... if you get my meaning.
So, "let there be light {here}" imho would be a fair (if not accurate) interpretation... the sources of current light being mere candles compared to stars... and the 24 hour "day and evening" simply mean the earth was already in a rotation aspect to the vent of light from the other realm.
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What fascinates me is the work by Setterfield and Norman on the decay of c. The speed of light being in decline as much as 10 million times slower today than 6,000 years ago.
Instantaneous velocity. Wow.
The effect would be like God creating the universe in unlighted form and then opening the instantaneous light source of heaven for a brief moment to ignite all the solar candles in the universe.
Talk about a big bang... it was just a flash point. Wow.
Instantaneous velocity. Wow.
The effect would be like God creating the universe in unlighted form and then opening the instantaneous light source of heaven for a brief moment to ignite all the solar candles in the universe.
Talk about a big bang... it was just a flash point. Wow.
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