Genesis Is the understanding the of Ancient Hebrews.It doesn't have to be scientific.

[Subduction Zone]

So I should blame evidence -- not science?

No, if anyone you should obviously blame yourself.

 

[Aman777]

The same Hebrew word is used for hills, high hills, and mountains. So I didn't add anything.

Sure you did since the word "har" is used to show hills and you posted "high hills". Since the high hills were less than 22.5 feet, they were NOT very high.

*** They would have died soon anyway; of exposure, starvation, lack of oxygen above a certain altitude.

Which has Nothing to do with the Scriptural Fact that the Flood prevailed for 22.5 feet and covered the high hills.

*** The context strongly suggest that it was the society or civilization that perished, not the land itself.

Then you must believe that God was just exaggerating when He told Noah:

Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Or when He told Noah AFTER the Flood:

Gen 9:11 And I will establish My covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Or when we are told in the New Testament:

2Pe 2:5 And spared NOT the old world,

And:

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Greek-kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed uttterly)

Try again?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Massive flooding as described didn't have to leave much evidence, especially if the water came bubbling up from thousands of 'springs'. My apartment building has a very large basement which flooded from time to time, the water coming up from the floor drain. As the kids played down there toys and other objects would be found floating gently in place in six or more inches of water. When the drain was cleared the water gently ran back down and all those objects settled gently back where they were, none moved at all from their place. Conclusion: such a flood would leave little or no evidence; little erosion or deposition as any lateral movement of the water would be very gentle.

And you still have countless problems of where the water came from, and where it went to. Also people living in highlands would not be affected by such a flood.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Sure you did since the word "har" is used to show hills and you posted "high hills". Since the high hills were less than 22.5 feet, they were NOT very high.

*** They would have died soon anyway; of exposure, starvation, lack of oxygen above a certain altitude.

Which has Nothing to do with the Scriptural Fact that the Flood prevailed for 22.5 feet and covered the high hills.

*** The context strongly suggest that it was the society or civilization that perished, not the land itself.

Then you must believe that God was just exaggerating when He told Noah:

Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Or when He told Noah AFTER the Flood:

Gen 9:11 And I will establish My covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Or when we are told in the New Testament:

2Pe 2:5 And spared NOT the old world,

And:

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Greek-kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed uttterly)

Try again?

The flood destroyed all that was corrupted, meaning the land (the tillable ground, the dirt) as well as the people, plants and animals. The greater earth itself beneath the ground (dirt) was not corrupted. Today we have corrupted our 'dirt' and our subsoils with chemicals and other pollutants, and weakened it by destructive farming practices.

In a sense God 'baptized' the earth, cleansing it of 'sin', at least temporarily. When I was baptized I still had the same body when I came out of the water, scars and all (I soon realized that I still had the same sins as before as well).

 

[essentialsaltes]

So I should blame evidence -- not science?

Yes, to keep your viewpoint, it would be best if you blame the facts.

 

[Aman777]

The flood destroyed all that was corrupted, meaning the land (the tillable ground, the dirt) as well as the people, plants and animals. The greater earth itself beneath the ground (dirt) was not corrupted. Today we have corrupted our 'dirt' and our subsoils with chemicals and other pollutants, and weakened it by destructive farming practices.

In a sense God 'baptized' the earth, cleansing it of 'sin', at least temporarily. When I was baptized I still had the same body when I came out of the water, scars and all (I soon realized that I still had the same sins as before as well).

Not so, since Adam's firmament, which God called Heaven, was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:8 God made other HeavenS/firmaments on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4. This is important since it shows that we live today in a Multiverse.

The first Heaven was totally and utterly DESTROYED in the Flood. ll Peter 3:6
Our second Heaven will be burned. ll Peter 3:10
Jesus has gone to the THIRD Heaven to prepare a place for us. If it were NOT so, He would have told us.

Jhn 14:2 In My Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

The New Heaven and the New Earth of Rev 21:1 and the THIRD Heaven of ll Corinthians 12:2 is where Jesus is physically Today. It makes me happy to know that Jesus is hard at work to prepare a place for all Christians to live AFTER our world is burned. Amen?

 

[-57]

Sorry there really is no such thing as "Christian scientist" there are scientist that are Christians, but most of those disagree with you about the flood. And I never accused either you or God of being dishonest. I pointed out that you have to say that God is dishonest since the all of the scientific evidence says there was no flood.

And that is a fact that no Christian has been able to refute. Many Christians refuse to even learn what scientific evidence is because it shows there beliefs to be wrong. Again, there are Christian groups that will explain to you why your flood beliefs are wrong. Did I not give you a link to patheos.org?

I hope you don't mind that I disagree with your thoughts...but there is plenty of evidense that strongly suggest otherwise. There are hundreds of web sites that support the YEC views. I see your view as severly flawed. Now considering your a atheist...I don't really expect you to receive the truth.

 

[-57]

Really? Give us an example of where my view has been refuted (proven wrong). I don't think you can, but please try. God Bless you

Trees. Got it?

 

[-57]

Do you think that Daniel was a modern man? Since God is the SAME yesterday, today and forever, I accept His method for hiding His Truth from ancient men, in order to insure that they could come to know God ONLY by Faith. It's a brilliant way to hide His Truth from ancient AND some modern men who cling to Ancient man's Theology? Amen?

Aman, people have been coming to faith..back in the "ancient days" Just ask Abraham. Amen? No.

 

[-57]

From your citation:

Strong's Concordance
apollumi: to destroy, destroy utterly

I said destroyed totally but I like your citation better since it shows a more total destruction of Adam's world.

I posted: 2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)

Do you also have a better view of Adam's world that THEN WAS? I will be happy to use it IF you do. From now on, I will try to use the term utterly instead of totally. Thanks again.

I really wish you woud do correct research.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
From apo and the base of olethros; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively -- destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.

see GREEK apo

see GREEK olethros

 

[-57]

No, the evidence say parts of the Earth were underwater at times. It also says that for the last 600 million years at least that there has always been some land.

Why do they find sea life fossils on top of mountains? If you doubt it I can probably find you several references.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Why do they find sea life fossils on top of mountains?

Because "parts of the Earth were underwater at times." SZ's answer covers this just fine.

 

[Aman777]

Trees. Got it?

Trees were made on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 Your argument is that the Trees in the Garden were different from the Trees made on the 3rd Day BUT that is nothing more than your unsupported opinion since it CANNOT be supported Scripturally. Try again? Remember that to refute me (prove me wrong) you MUST post supporting Scripture which you have failed to do. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Aman, people have been coming to faith..back in the "ancient days" Just ask Abraham. Amen? No.

Abraham was saved by Faith, just as modern man can be saved only by the Gift of Faith from God, Himself. Since there are more than 30k denominations, God has insured that ONLY by Faith can one be saved. Amen?

Eph 2:8 For by grace (Unmerited reward) are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[Aman777]

Because "parts of the Earth were underwater at times." SZ's answer covers this just fine.

Uplifting caused by plate tectonics also covers it. Amen?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I hope you don't mind that I disagree with your thoughts...but there is plenty of evidense that strongly suggest otherwise. There are hundreds of web sites that support the YEC views. I see your view as severly flawed. Now considering your a atheist...I don't really expect you to receive the truth.

Web sites are not evidence. And definitely not scientific evidence. And don't be silly, the reason people become atheists is because they value the truth more than fear.

I can help you with your inability to understand the concept of evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why do they find sea life fossils on top of mountains? If you doubt it I can probably find you several references.

Why didn't you tell me that you were totally ignorant of science. When you are ready to learn I will be happy to help you.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Uplifting caused by plate tectonics also covers it. Amen?

Yes, that sounds about right. I guess we're in agreement.

 

[Herman Hedning]

Aman, is that Noah's Ark in your avatar?

And do you believe, as do I, that the Ark used TARDIS technology to hold all those jillions of species of animals that scientists said surely existed back then?

TARDIS technology, eh? Do you also believe that God was one of the Time Lords from the planet of Gallifrey, since they were the ones that developed TARDIS technology? So sayeth the gospel of Dr. Who.

 

[Herman Hedning]

I really wish that people would stop arguing about the "true meaning" of ancient texts using only a dictionary and with no actual knowledge of the languages in question. It takes much more than that to understand what the authors really intended to say.