Genesis is a lie. Question for christians...

[Assyrian]

That doesn't mean much in this day and age, Mr. 'doubtful' (your admitted attitude).

Why do you not believe what your Creator said about His creation in six days as Moses told us in the ten commandments and Jesus confirmed what Moses said?

Did Moses or Jesus tell us to interpret the six days literally? How did Moses use the six days, to teach a literal six day creation or as an illustration to teach Sabbath observance? Did Jesus say Moses' literal interpretation of the six days was right? Did Jesus even mention the six days of Genesis?

 

[mathetes123]

Did Moses or Jesus tell us to interpret the six days literally? How did Moses use the six days, to teach a literal six day creation or as an illustration to teach Sabbath observance? Did Jesus say Moses' literal interpretation of the six days was right? Did Jesus even mention the six days of Genesis?

The sabbath observance every seventh day is to memorialize the 7th day when God rested following the six days of creation.

 

[Keachian]

If it is God breathed and God inspired, then it follows that it is authoritative. This being the case, why do you reject the Genesis account of creation?

Well it also follows that I'm God breathed, does that make me authoritative?

 

[Keachian]

That doesn't mean much in this day and age, Mr. 'doubtful' (your admitted attitude).

Why do you not believe what your Creator said about His creation in six days as Moses told us in the ten commandments and Jesus confirmed what Moses said?

We've been over this before, if you can't understand that using something as a teaching device does not confirm it's literalness one way or another I highly doubt that you were a teacher. After all did Aesop's fables really happen? No? Then by your logic we cannot get moral ideas from them. But we do so you're not really saying anything by saying that these two prophets used the early chapters of Genesis to teach morals.

 

[Assyrian]

The sabbath observance every seventh day is to memorialize the 7th day when God rested following the six days of creation.

Is it a literal memorial or a metaphor, like the reason for the Sabbath in Deuteronomy? You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day Deut 5:15.

If Sabbath observance was because God made one day of the week holier than any other from the very creation, why did Paul call the Sabbath a 'shadow' a prophetic metaphor of the fullness of all that Christ accomplished for us in the cross? Col 2:16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

 

[chris4243]

All living things did not die. Many water born would have survived.

So Genesis is not literally true then?

21 Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

And no, I did not bring up aquatic vs land creatures, nor claim that all aquatic creatures are land creatures. We can discuss the challenges aquatic creatures would have faced if you like, but I was asking whether the genetics should match the flood story or not. Quit dodging the issue, no one thinks you're clever for pretending my context was about fish.

 

[mathetes123]

Well it also follows that I'm God breathed, does that make me authoritative?

What does one have to do with the other?

 

[Keachian]

What does one have to do with the other?

Well from my point of view you are calling Scripture authoritative based on one passage that says it is God breathed there are just as many passages saying that humans are breathed pit by God

 

[mathetes123]

Well from my point of view you are calling Scripture authoritative based on one passage that says it is God breathed there are just as many passages saying that humans are breathed pit by God

So are you trying to say that the inspired word of God is not authoritative? If it is God's word, what higher Authority does it need? You are comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Kirkwhisper]

So are you trying to say that the inspired word of God is not authoritative? If it is God's word, what higher Authority does it need? You are comparing apples and oranges.

mathetes123. Checking out. Thought I'd give you best wishes. The Lord wants me to concentrate my efforts elsewhere for the time being.

God bless you and remain faithful to His Word.

 

[Keachian]

So are you trying to say that the inspired word of God is not authoritative? If it is God's word, what higher Authority does it need? You are comparing apples and oranges.

No I'm just trying to reconcile your hermeneutic. In what way is a human an apple and Scripture an orange? My complaint is that the sort of language that you use to make the totally unfounded assumption that the Bible is dictated/puppet written/whatever is also used to describe how humans were created. Now the question actually is do humans have free will in your opinion?

 

[Kirkwhisper]

Did Moses or Jesus tell us to interpret the six days literally? How did Moses use the six days, to teach a literal six day creation or as an illustration to teach Sabbath observance? Did Jesus say Moses' literal interpretation of the six days was right? Did Jesus even mention the six days of Genesis.

Absolutely. It resulted in a six day work week and one literal day of rest....not seven thousand, or seven million, or seven billion years O blind one.

 

[TasManOfGod]

So Genesis is not literally true then?

21 Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

And no, I did not bring up aquatic vs land creatures, nor claim that all aquatic creatures are land creatures. We can discuss the challenges aquatic creatures would have faced if you like, but I was asking whether the genetics should match the flood story or not. Quit dodging the issue, no one thinks you're clever for pretending my context was about fish.

It is not clever of me to believe what the Bible says. It is foolish of you tho not to. Perhaps you might be the dodgy one here so I ask you to come up with your version of things instead of you trying make me put up a target for you to shoot down.

 

[chris4243]

It is not clever of me to believe what the Bible says. It is foolish of you tho not to. Perhaps you might be the dodgy one here so I ask you to come up with your version of things instead of you trying make me put up a target for you to shoot down.

So you're afraid to say that the land creatures that weren't on the ark all died because you know that can be "shot down" with those pesky facts?

 

[Assyrian]

Did Moses or Jesus tell us to interpret the six days literally? How did Moses use the six days, to teach a literal six day creation or as an illustration to teach Sabbath observance? Did Jesus say Moses' literal interpretation of the six days was right? Did Jesus even mention the six days of Genesis.

Absolutely.

So if Moses absolutely told us to interpret the six day literally, perhaps you would like to show us where he said that?
If Jesus absolutely told us to interpret the days of Genesis literally, or said Moses interpreted the days literally and was right to do so, could you point out the chapter and verse, because I have never read those passages. Otherwise you seem to be taking you own personal opinions and attributing them to Jesus and Moses.

It resulted in a six day work week and one literal day of rest....not seven thousand, or seven million, or seven billion years

Just like it would if Genesis was a metaphorical description of the creation, written that way to teach Sabbath observance. If Moses used the six days to teach Sabbath observance, aren't you missing the point if you think he was really teaching the Israelites to interpret Genesis literally?

O blind one.

Could I suggest wherever the Lord is calling you now, you try a little less name calling?

 

[mathetes123]

No I'm just trying to reconcile your hermeneutic. In what way is a human an apple and Scripture an orange? My complaint is that the sort of language that you use to make the totally unfounded assumption that the Bible is dictated/puppet written/whatever is also used to describe how humans were created. Now the question actually is do humans have free will in your opinion?

The bible means what it says and says what it means.

Yes, humans have free will. If it were not so, we could not be held responsible for our sin, and there would have been no reason for jesus to die on the cross to take the penalty for our sins.

 

[mathetes123]

mathetes123. Checking out. Thought I'd give you best wishes. The Lord wants me to concentrate my efforts elsewhere for the time being.

God bless you and remain faithful to His Word.

Thanks.

 

[TasManOfGod]

So you're afraid to say that the land creatures that weren't on the ark all died because you know that can be "shot down" with those pesky facts?

What facts are you talking about?
I also have some personal theories about some land based animals. Before the flood there was very much less ocean area than now and a large amount (perhaps all) was connected and the whole land mass would have had virtually all the species. I believe that some land based animals may have survived the flood as young within the pouch of their mother who did not survive eg. kangaroos and koalas for instance. I believe this would be within the true meaning of the flood account.
The animals from the ark could have decimated any such surviving specie causing extinction or partial extinction on the continents reached in post flood conditions and allowing survival on isolated continents like Australia.

 

[Keachian]

The bible means what it says and says what it means.

Yes, humans have free will. If it were not so, we could not be held responsible for our sin, and there would have been no reason for jesus to die on the cross to take the penalty for our sins.

Ok so if Humans have free will, then how do we build a theology of Biblical inerrancy and literalism from II Tim 3:16 where the imagery Paul is using is aligned with what Genesis says of humans

 

[mathetes123]

Ok so if Humans have free will, then how do we build a theology of Biblical inerrancy and literalism from II Tim 3:16 where the imagery Paul is using is aligned with what Genesis says of humans

God breathed in relation to scripture Means that the writers of scripture wrote as they were inspired by God to write.

In genesis god breathed life into his creation.

Again, you are making an apples to oranges comparison.

How would the fact that God breathed life into his creation Imply His creation has no free will?