Genesis 1 vs. Genesis 2

[marciebaby]

I really don't know too much about the whole creation vs. evolution debate, but it seems to me that there are some differences in the creation account when contrasting Genesis 1 vs. Genesis 2. For instance, in Genesis 1, God made the plants and animals before Adam, but in Genesis 2, the plants and animals were created after Adam.

Thanks for your insights!
Marcie

 

[Terral]

Hi Marcie:

I really don't know too much about the whole creation vs. evolution debate, but it seems to me that there are some differences in the creation account when contrasting Genesis 1 vs. Genesis 2. For instance, in Genesis 1, God made the plants and animals before Adam, but in Genesis 2, the plants and animals were created after Adam.

Thanks for your insights!
Marcie

I just wrote a post on this topic (here), so quote anything you like from that work and I am happy to answer any questions. Other posts might include this one (Big Bang MYTH) or this one (Dark Matter) with the very best candidate saved for last (here). The short of the long is that 'God' created the perfect and mature 'eth Erets (Earth) in Genesis 1:1 (diagram), until that completed creation became formless and void in Genesis 1:2 with the "Big Bang." The 'God' is working to 'reconstitute' the triune 'heavens, heaven and earth' in Genesis 1:6-8 (like this) that includes the massive galaxy chains and galaxies we see in the distant areas of our universe even today (like this). Then God formed our local Milky Way Galaxy from the remains of an exploding star supernova (We are stardust), which explains why our solar system is only 4.4 billion years old in a 15 billion year old universe. Life began on this planet in Genesis 1:20, as our sun and moon came to exist in Genesis 1:16-19 on the fourth day, as the reconstitution days of Genesis 1:3-31 are 'days to God.'

God rested on the seventh day (Gen. 2:1-3), so we see the "Lord God" (Christ) coming onto the scene on the 'seventh day' (Gen. 2:4 = Lord of the Sabbath) to then form Adam His "son of God" from the dust of the ground. Genesis 2:7. Adam was around for a long time with Eve and her seed still IN him, until they were taken out thousands of years later in Genesis 2:20-22. Then Adam and Eve continued to live as 'heavenly hosts' until the fall of Genesis 3, when the Lord God created them with human 'skins' (Gen. 3:21 = Gen. 5:2) just about 6000 years ago to begin this timeline (the fall = far left). GL,

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Chesterton]

In chapter 2, it sort of goes from “there were no plants” to “man was formed”, but from that, I can’t conclude it’s saying plants were created after man. I think it just doesn’t mention plant creation a second time.

And verse 8 describes the planting of the garden after the creation of man, but it seems to be talking about the planting of that particular garden, and not the creation of plants.

Verse 19 does seem awkward, but strictly speaking, it doesn’t use “then” or “next”, which would indicate chronology; it simply repeats what was said before - that the Lord created animals.

 

[Assyrian]

Verse 19 does seem awkward, but strictly speaking, it doesn’t use “then” or “next”, which would indicate chronology; it simply repeats what was said before - that the Lord created animals.

The Hebrew does indicate a chronology though, it uses the waw consecutive construction that indicates a series of consecutive events.

In chapter 2, it sort of goes from “there were no plants” to “man was formed”, but from that, I can’t conclude it’s saying plants were created after man. I think it just doesn’t mention plant creation a second time.

And verse 8 describes the planting of the garden after the creation of man, but it seems to be talking about the planting of that particular garden, and not the creation of plants.

Gen 2:5 sets the scene for us for when this creation account starts, when there were no plants or shrubs. It then tells us what God did, a mist came up to water the land, then God created man and then planted a garden. The account even tells us why there were not plants, it was because there was no rain and there was no one to till the land. Verse 5 & 6 show the answer to this twofold problem, the mist and God forming man. So we are told there were no plants, why there were no plants, God's answer to these problems, and then God planting a garden.

 

[Chesterton]

The Hebrew does indicate a chronology though, it uses the waw consecutive construction that indicates a series of consecutive events.

Any thoughts on the apparent discrepancy?

 

[Assyrian]

Any thoughts on the apparent discrepancy?

A very simple answer is that one, or both, of the accounts was not intended as a literal chronology.

 

[Terral]

Hi Chesterton:

In chapter 2, it sort of goes from “there were no plants” to “man was formed”, but from that, I can’t conclude it’s saying plants were created after man. I think it just doesn’t mention plant creation a second time.

Adam is a ‘heavenly’ being from Genesis 2:7 to the time Eve was taken from his side (Gen. 2:20-22) and the curse of Genesis 3 became his reality, until the Lord God placed the garden pair in ‘skins’ in Genesis 3:21 and they are sent out of the garden in Genesis 3:23-24. The “Garden of Eden” is a heavenly “Paradise” with plants that are also ‘heavenly’ in nature. Note carefully that we see ‘herbs’ (‘eseb #6212) back in Genesis 1:11+12, but the sun and the moon come to exist in Genesis 1:16-19. :0) Those are galaxy chain seeds, herbs and plants that became the basis for our local solar system to exist from the supernova of a previously existing star numbered among those seeds/plants/herbs. Even the scientists use “seed” language in describing the origins of what they call the Modern Universe (link), because this is God’s Way of doing things (Gen. 1:3-31) ‘and’ the Lord God (Christ) is doing the same thing with the Garden of Eden called to exist for Adam right here in Genesis 2.

And verse 8 describes the planting of the garden after the creation of man, but it seems to be talking about the planting of that particular garden, and not the creation of plants.

Genesis 2:7-8 does NOT describe the creation of ‘man,’ but the Lord God is forming ADAM from the breath of life (heavens) and the dust of the ground (earth), so that he became a living soul/being. The sixth day people (Gen. 1:26-28) have already been around for millions of years, before the Lord God formed Adam to represent this entire universe in one man from God in Genesis 2:7-8. Adam did NOT have a spirit, soul and body like you have today, but those three witnesses were one and the SAME THING. The Garden of Eden did not have a heavens, heaven and earth triune nature like today, but the Lord God formed the heavenly garden as a Singularity like His “son of God” to mirror the perfect ‘Eth Erets Creation of Genesis 1:1. Every component part of the Garden of Eden bore the same Singularity image of God, The Word and Creation of this diagram:

Do you see “My Father Who is IN HEAVEN” (Matt 10:32-33 = under red arrow) in The Word/Heaven represented by the red sphere between God and Adam? No. Why not? :0) The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the three witnesses (1Jn 5:7-8) of “The Word” shown as a “Singularity” BEFORE They are broken down (pierced) into these three witnesses. Do you see the heavens, heaven or earth in “Adam” representing “This Creation” in the blue sphere? No. Why not? Those three witnesses are also bound up in ‘Eth Erets (The Earth) of Genesis 1:1 in the very same way. The “Garden of Eden” of Genesis 2:8 is also a “Singularity” formed from gathering the ‘heavens’ (spirit witness) and ‘earth’ (water witness) components to rejoin them together in the same exact way the Lord God formed Adam in Genesis 2:7. Adam was made for the Garden and the Garden was made for Adam, as BOTH bear the perfect/mature singularity image of ‘Eth Erets from Genesis 1:1.

Genesis 2 and 3 are about to show you how this singularity ‘Adam’ and this singularity ‘Garden’ are broken down (pierced) into ‘their’ three witnesses, just like The Word is now broken down into the Father (spirit), Son (blood) and Holy Spirit (water witness Helper). Therefore, you must prepare yourself to ‘interpret’ God’s Word from the perspective of a ‘singularity’ Adam, with Eve (water witness) and her seed (blood witness) very much IN him in Genesis 2:7, until they begin walking around on this physical earth in Genesis 3, Genesis 4 and beyond. The Garden becomes pierced in the same day that Adam becomes broken down, so that the Promised Land (Gen. 15:18) and the coming Kingdom (Eze. 47-48) become the visible ‘water witness’ (diagram) helper of a very much ‘heavenly’ Paradise that must eventually be restored and rebuilt. There were plenty of plants and herbs on this planet Earth from the time of Genesis 1:20 to the time God rested on this seventh day (Gen. 2:1-3). However, the basic building blocks of the singularity ‘Garden’ had yet to even exist, because the singularity “Adam” was only then formed for that singularity habitat.

Verse 19 does seem awkward, but strictly speaking, it doesn’t use “then” or “next”, which would indicate chronology; it simply repeats what was said before - that the Lord created animals.

No sir. You must differentiate the work of GOD (The Almighty = working in Genesis 1), Who raised Christ from the dead, with the consecration WORK of the Lord God (Christ) in Genesis 2:4+, or all of this becomes an exercise in futility. There was no such thing as the “Garden of Eden” for the first six days of Genesis 1:4-31, as that habitat for Adam was formed on this ‘seventh day’ by the Lord God (Christ) for His ‘son of God’ (Luke 3:38). Adam existed in his singularity form for a VERY long time, before Eve was eventually taken from his side in Genesis 2:20-22. This new batch of animals are ‘heavenly’ creatures that bear the same singularity image of Adam and the Garden for which they were also formed, until they too were ‘pierced’ (members of Adam’s body) to inherit a place on this planet in this now broken universe.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Terral]

Hi Assyrian:

The Hebrew does indicate a chronology though, it uses the waw consecutive construction that indicates a series of consecutive events.

Gen 2:5 sets the scene for us for when this creation account starts, when there were no plants or shrubs. It then tells us what God did, a mist came up to water the land, then God created man and then planted a garden.

You appear to be making the same mistake in saying that “God” of Genesis 1 is working here on the seventh day in Genesis 2, when HE RESTED “IN” His Son (Lord God) to begin this Sabbath Day. Genesis 2:1-3. That is what Paul means by saying that God was IN Christ (2Cor. 5:19) reconciling the world to Himself 'and' that the fullness of God's Deity dwells IN Him in bodily form (Col. 2:9). Arguing verb tense construction is of little value with a misunderstanding of ‘who’ is performing the actions.

The account even tells us why there were not plants, it was because there was no rain and there was no one to till the land. Verse 5 & 6 show the answer to this twofold problem, the mist and God forming man. So we are told there were no plants, why there were no plants, God's answer to these problems, and then God planting a garden.

The lack of plants is no ‘problem’ at all, but merely a ‘fact’ that the Lord God (Christ) is just now forming Adam and the Garden of Eden for each other right here on this ‘seventy day’ in Genesis 2:7-8. If you turn the pages of Scripture back to Revelation 21+, then this heavenly kingdom also has the tree of life (Rev. 22:2-3) that was previously cut off from man right here in Genesis 3:24 with the curse. The water coming from that 'Heavenly Throne' mirrors the water coming out of Eden (Gen. 2:10) in the very same way. New Jerusalem above is ‘our’ mother (Gal. 4:26), but David/Adam sits on an earthly throne “forever” (Eze. 37:24-28 = diagram = far right), as the ‘earthly’ water witness helper for the Heavenly Kingdom eventually to become ‘one’ and the 'same thing,' to coincide with the Heavenly Garden Paradise that Adam had in the beginning.

If you think things through carefully, then all things in the heavens and earth are eventually summed up “IN” Christ (Eph. 1:9-10). That means all the earthly hosts (world men) and heavens hosts (angels) will eventually be summed back up together to become the ‘immortal’ singularity hosts of Genesis 1:1. That is the very reason that ‘we’ (Body of Christ) judge the world ‘and’ the angels (1Cor. 6:2-3 = diagram) in the first place, because the members of David’s Kingdom on earth ‘and’ their angelic super-halves are eventually restored to their state of ‘immortality’ (like us and Creation). Only then can all things be subjected back to the Son/Word/Heaven (1Cor. 15:27) so that even the Son is subjected back to God to become “all in all” (1Cor. 15:28) like this.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Assyrian]

Hi Assyrian:

You appear to be making the same mistake in saying that “God” of Genesis 1 is working here on the seventh day in Genesis 2, when HE RESTED “IN” His Son (Lord God) to begin this Sabbath Day. Genesis 2:1-3. That is what Paul means by saying that God was IN Christ (2Cor. 5:19) reconciling the world to Himself 'and' that the fullness of God's Deity dwells IN Him in bodily form (Col. 2:9). Arguing verb tense construction is of little value with a misunderstanding of ‘who’ is performing the actions.

Except we were were not questioning ‘who’, I assume Chesterton has no issue with God being the creator, or that he created through Christ Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created through him and for him. I am a bit puzzled though by the way you feel the need to put "God" in inverted commas. Do you saying The LORD God referred to in Gen 2 is not God the creator referred to in Gen 1? Jesus didn't think so, Mark 10:5 And Jesus said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6 But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.' 7 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, 8 and they shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. 9 What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

In verse 6 Jesus refers to Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. But verse 7 to 9 refer to Genesis chapter 2, the LORD God creating Eve from Adam's rib bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh. Yet refers to this work of the LORD God, as 'God' too.

Anyway you have provided some evidence yourself that the verb constructions are important, because they provide insight into when the events being described happen, you seem to think we believe this is taking place on the seventh day. Chesterton I suspect would say this is happening on day 6, whereas I see it as another separate account of the creation. If the verbal construction help us understand when the writers are talking about, or give us a better insight into how Gen 1 and 2 are related, that is pretty important for our understanding of Genesis.

The lack of plants is no ‘problem’ at all, but merely a ‘fact’ that the Lord God (Christ) is just now forming Adam and the Garden of Eden for each other right here on this ‘seventy day’ in Genesis 2:7-8. If you turn the pages of Scripture back to Revelation 21+, then this heavenly kingdom also has the tree of life (Rev. 22:2-3) that was previously cut off from man right here in Genesis 3:24 with the curse. The water coming from that 'Heavenly Throne' mirrors the water coming out of Eden (Gen. 2:10) in the very same way. New Jerusalem above is ‘our’ mother (Gal. 4:26), but David/Adam sits on an earthly throne “forever” (Eze. 37:24-28 = diagram = far right), as the ‘earthly’ water witness helper for the Heavenly Kingdom eventually to become ‘one’ and the 'same thing,' to coincide with the Heavenly Garden Paradise that Adam had in the beginning.

Believe it or not I think you are on the right track here, seeing the relationship between Gen 2&3 and the Book of Revelation. You can add the serpent and another wedding to the list too However, the really relevant bit is that Revelation is Jewish apocalyptic literature rather than literal history, a highly symbolic allegory. If the passage of scripture that most resembles Gen 2&3 is Revelation, it might tell you something about how to interpret these chapters of Genesis.

If you think things through carefully, then all things in the heavens and earth are eventually summed up “IN” Christ (Eph. 1:9-10). That means all the earthly hosts (world men) and heavens hosts (angels) will eventually be summed back up together to become the ‘immortal’ singularity hosts of Genesis 1:1.

You were doing ok 'til you got to the bit about singularity.

That is the very reason that ‘we’ (Body of Christ) judge the world ‘and’ the angels (1Cor. 6:2-3 = diagram) in the first place, because the members of David’s Kingdom on earth ‘and’ their angelic super-halves are eventually restored to their state of ‘immortality’ (like us and Creation). Only then can all things be subjected back to the Son/Word/Heaven (1Cor. 15:27) so that even the Son is subjected back to God to become “all in all” (1Cor. 15:28) like this.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

I would have thought we get to judge the world and angels because we are fellow heirs with Christ. But how it is all going to work out I don't know 1John 3:2 My dear friends, we are already God's children, though what we will be hasn't yet been seen. But we do know that when Christ returns, we will be like him, because we will see him as he truly is.

 

[Terral]

Hi Assyrian:

Except we were were not questioning ‘who’, I assume Chesterton has no issue with God being the creator, or that he created through Christ.

“God” is working in Genesis 1 and the “Lord God” (Christ) is working on the ‘seventh day’ starting in Genesis 2:4. The eighth day begins in Revelation 21:1 with “God” again doing this New Heaven (F+S+HS) and New Earth (Heavens, Heaven and Earth) work (diagram).

I am a bit puzzled though by the way you feel the need to put "God" in inverted commas. Do you saying The LORD God referred to in Gen 2 is not God the creator referred to in Gen 1?

How many times must I repeat the same thing? “God” (The Almighty) who is the "Only True God" (Jn 17:3) is working in Genesis 1. That is the “God” who raised Christ from the dead. Romans 10:9. Christ is the “Lord God” working in Genesis 2 who formed Adam using His own two hands. The reason so many people fall into errant interpretations is because they are ‘not questioning’ things that they should be . . .

Jesus didn't think so, Mark 10:5 And Jesus said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6 But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.' 7 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, 8 and they shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. 9 What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

God made male and female in Genesis 1:26-28. The Lord God made Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:21 in human ‘skins’ in the day that He made ‘them.’ Surely you realize that God RESTED on the seventh day (Gen. 2:1-3) and the Lord God formed Adam on the seventh day. Gen. 2:7.

In verse 6 Jesus refers to Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. But verse 7 to 9 refer to Genesis chapter 2, the LORD God creating Eve from Adam's rib bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh. Yet refers to this work of the LORD God, as 'God' too.

No sir. That is Assyrian’s ‘interpretation.’ :0) The Lord God did not make ‘them’ in Genesis 2:7, because Eve was still “IN” Adam. The Lord God did not form ‘them’ in Genesis 2:20-22 either, because Adam was already formed when the Lord God formed Eve. The Lord God ‘created them male and female’ (Gen. 5:2) in the ‘day’ that He drove them from the heavenly Garden in Genesis 3:21-24. Only here do we see that, "Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate THE GROUND FROM WHICH HE WAS TAKEN." Gen. 3:23. Up to that time, Adam was cultivating 'heavenly' ground like the citizens of the New Heaven in Rev. 21:1+.

Anyway you have provided some evidence yourself that the verb constructions are important, because they provide insight into when the events being described happen, you seem to think we believe this is taking place on the seventh day.

Verb construction becomes important in the day you can begin understanding what God and the Lord God (Christ) are doing in plain modern English in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. :0) The ‘seventh day’ began in Genesis 2:1-3 when GOD RESTED and the Lord God (Christ) began working on this still ongoing ‘Sabbath Day.’

Chesterton I suspect would say this is happening on day 6, whereas I see it as another separate account of the creation.

God created the sixth day people (Gen. 1:26-28) on the SIXTH DAY, as the native inhabitants of the earth have been around for millions of years. The Lord God formed “Adam” on this “seventh day” (Gen. 2:7) that started in Genesis 2:1-4. You guys can continue taking seventh day events out of Genesis 2 to toss them back into the first six days if that makes you happy, but unfortunately that would also make all of your interpretations dead wrong. I can only help people willing to understand God’s Living Word in the way Scripture 'is' written and the seventh day (Gen. 2:1-4+) comes after the sixth day of Genesis 1.

If the verbal construction help us understand when the writers are talking about, or give us a better insight into how Gen 1 and 2 are related, that is pretty important for our understanding of Genesis.

If you are going to place Genesis 2 ‘seventh day’ events back into Genesis 1, then the verb tense construction is meaningless to the discussion.

Believe it or not I think you are on the right track here, seeing the relationship between Gen 2&3 and the Book of Revelation. You can add the serpent and another wedding to the list too.

The marriage supper of the Lamb ‘ends’ this current age (Rev. 19:5-10) like the end of every age for all the ‘ages to come’ (Eph. 2:7).

However, the really relevant bit is that Revelation is Jewish apocalyptic literature rather than literal history, a highly symbolic allegory. If the passage of scripture that most resembles Gen 2&3 is Revelation, it might tell you something about how to interpret these chapters of Genesis.

To call this ‘book of prophecy’ mere Jewish apocalyptic literature casts a very large shadow over my confidence in your ability to interpret Revelation accurately. My point is that New Jerusalem above also has trees that are much more than just mere trees that we see on this earth. Adam is a ‘heavenly angel/man’ in Genesis 2:7 with Adam and Eve continuing to be ‘heavenly beings’ until the fall of Genesis 3, until the Lord God puts them in human skins (Gen. 3:21) and drives them out of Eden (Gen. 3:24). The very first thing that Scripture records ‘after’ the fall is the begetting of Cain in the very next verse (Gen. 4:1), because ‘before’ the fall the garden pair were ‘heavenly beings’ without the ability to reproduce like men and women from Genesis 1:26-28. The Lord God had to subject Adam and Eve to futility (like this creation = Rom. 8:20-22), before her seed and your seed could begin to be sown in this physical world. Therefore, the Lord God knew the plan was to eject Adam from the Garden even in the day (Gen. 2:7) that He formed him.

I would have thought we get to judge the world and angels because we are fellow heirs with Christ. But how it is all going to work out I don't know.

The beginning of knowledge is oftentimes saying, “I don’t know.” :0) The reason ‘we’ (Body of Christ) are to judge the world and the angels is because we shall become the first to put on immortality (1Cor. 15:51-53), which amounts to a man and an angel being sewn (married) back together to take on the image of the perfect/mature hosts from the perfect ages of Genesis 1:1. This means the “Body of Moses/Eve” half (man) is rejoined to the “Body of Elijah/Adam” half (angel) where those ‘two’ become ‘one immortal flesh’ (diagram) that mirrors our own immortality “IN Christ Jesus.” Open up the following diagram and I will try to show you the difference:

Diagram 50

Focus your attention upon Figure 3 showing the Kingdom of this Creation in the three realms of the Heavens (above in yellow), Heaven (in red) and the visible ‘Seen Universe’ (in blue) containing our local planet earth. Peter, John, James and everyone called to God via the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (Gospel #1) continues to be a ‘water witness’ host with an angel counterpart in the Heavens awaiting ‘judgment’ by the members of Christ’s BODY (that’s us = Church #2) that have already made the 90-degree turn (sign of the cross) in the “Already Judged” position. When a ‘man’ looks up into “This Creation,” then he is looking through heaven and into the heavens where his greater angel-half is looking back at him. These are the ‘world and angel’ principals that ‘we judge,’ so they can be married to the Lamb and join us “IN Christ Jesus” over in Figure 2. However, when the member of “Christ’s Body” looks up, then his body (incarnation) is IN the Lamb (Fig. 3) and his soul is IN Christ Jesus (Fig. 2) and his spirit is rejoined to His Infinite Self in God’s Infinite Realm where “you are gods.” Ps. 82:6, Jn 10:36. :0) Note that the member of “Christ’s Body” (left/center of Fig 3) has all three colors of spirit, blood and water, while the Kingdom Bride member has only two colors of spirit and water, because he is not yet found “IN Christ Jesus” (Fig. 2).

Christ Jesus is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit containing this universe (like this) over in Figure 2, while the Lamb in the center of the throne of Figure 3 is the ‘incarnation’ of Christ Jesus in this Adamic Universe. This means that while ‘we’ (Body of Christ member) showed up on God’s radar IN the Beloved (Eph 1:6) by obeying our gospel, the people from all of these other dispensations are coming to God BY WORKS (James 2:20-24) that includes washing their garments endlessly for AGES AND AGES, until they eventually are found worthy and join us “IN Christ Jesus” through the marriage supper of the Lamb. Only then can they walk into the Lamb in the ‘center of the throne’ to suddenly appear IN Christ Jesus, which is an almost infinite realm containing almost infinite hosts made up of Father Hosts and Holy Spirit Hosts being rejoined together exactly like men and angels in our broken universe. This means your almost infinite self is already seated IN Christ Jesus this very moment (Eph. 2:6) ‘and’ your life on this earth is merely an ‘incarnation’ of that ‘real’ almost infinite host. :0) However (and this is important), the sixth day people (Gen. 1:26-28) do NOT have an inheritance in God’s Infinite Realm as ‘gods,’ because they (like the space people) are the members of Adam’s BODY who died IN him (1Cor. 15:22) when Satan murdered him in God’s Infinite Realm.

The native inhabitants of the land have a place in ‘heaven’ (Gen. 1:8) of this universe and shall continue incarnating and inhabiting this earth for all the ages to come. This means that the professing Christians taking their version of the ‘gospel’ to the naked beardless natives in the jungles are wasting their time, because the gospel is for acceptance or rejection by the ‘gods’ from God’s Infinite Realm where ‘some’ have been deceived by Satan into assisting him in murdering Adam in the first place. That is the reason behind my insistence that we differentiate between the sixth and seventh day people, because the tribal peoples are ‘victims’ (members of Adam’s body) of the Satanic Murder (members of Satan’s body) that took place LONG before this universe was ever called into existence. That is the reason I insist that those confusing the events of Genesis 1 and 2 simply do not even have a clue. I am,

In Christ Jesus right this moment,

Terral

 

[Assyrian]

Hi Assyrian:

“God” is working in Genesis 1 and the “Lord God” (Christ) is working on the ‘seventh day’ starting in Genesis 2:4.

Not sure you can separate their work that easily, either in creation or today. If you think this is the seventh day, you need to bear in mind what Jesus said John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I am working." Neither Jesus nor his Father stopped working, the seventh day rest was not God literally stopping work, also both Jesus and the Father are working, you cannot say God the Father stopped and Jesus took over. As we see in that Colossians verse I quoted, Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created through him and for him. You cannot separate the of Christ from his Father. All things were created were created by and through that included the work of creation we see in Gen 1.

The eighth day begins in Revelation 21:1 with “God” again doing this New Heaven and New Earth work.

Revelation does not mention an eighth day, but you could take it that way if you wanted to. The only biblical exposition I know of where we are in terms of the days of creation is in Hebrews 3&4, where God's seventh day rest is a rest that is going on now, but it is parallel to another 'day age' the world is experiencing, the 'while it is called Today'. The seventh day is not a literal rest, both God the Father and Jesus are working still, nor is the world in that seventh day, but we are called to enter into it. So I would say in terms of Day Age, we are in the sixth day, and the seventh day is that place of rest in the presence of God.

How many times must I repeat the same thing? “God” (The Almighty) who is the "Only True God" (Jn 17:3) is working in Genesis 1. That is the “God” who raised Christ from the dead. Romans 10:9. Christ is the “Lord God” working in Genesis 2 who formed Adam using His own two hands. The reason so many people fall into errant interpretations is because they are ‘not questioning’ things that they should be . . .

Or at least not coming up with your unique answers... Genesis 2 describes the same creation as Genesis 1, man or Adam in Hebrew, both male and female, plants, animals, birds and livestock. You have two different people writing two very different descriptions of creation with differnt styles of writing and different terms to describe God. But it is the same God they are describing whether they call him Elohiym or Yahweh Elohiym.

God made male and female in Genesis 1:26-28. The Lord God made Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:21 in human ‘skins’ in the day that He made ‘them.’

Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man (Hebrew Adam) in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." So God created man (the Adam) in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Gen 1 describes the creation of Adam too. I don't know where you get the idea God clothed Adam and Eve in human skins, ugh. They were already flesh and bone in Gen 2 (see v 23), they were hardly walking around flayed.

Surely you realize that God RESTED on the seventh day (Gen. 2:1-3) and the Lord God formed Adam on the seventh day. Gen. 2:7.

It is a completely different account of the creation, separated by a new heading in verse 4 These Are the Generations of the Heavens and Earth. You cannot assume the second account continues on from where the first left off in verse 3, especially when it covers the same ground as much of the first account.

In verse 6 Jesus refers to Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. But verse 7 to 9 refer to Genesis chapter 2, the LORD God creating Eve from Adam's rib bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh. Yet refers to this work of the LORD God, as 'God' too.

No sir. That is Assyrian’s ‘interpretation.’ :0) The Lord God did not make ‘them’ in Genesis 2:7, because Eve was still “IN” Adam. The Lord God did not form ‘them’ in Genesis 2:20-22 either, because Adam was already formed when the Lord God formed Eve. The Lord God ‘created them male and female’ (Gen. 5:2) in the ‘day’ that He drove them from the heavenly Garden in Genesis 3:21-24. Only here do we see that, "Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate THE GROUND FROM WHICH HE WAS TAKEN." Gen. 3:23. Up to that time, Adam was cultivating 'heavenly' ground like the citizens of the New Heaven in Rev. 21:1+.

Just because the creation of humanity is spread over the whole of chapter 2 doe not mean it isn't still the LORD God forming man and woman. And whether you take Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of creation, 'God made them male and female.' as referring to Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Or to Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. 2 Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created. They both refer to God creating male and female. So we have Jesus referring to both the 'one flesh' of the LORD God's creation of man and woman in Gen 2 and God's creation of male and female in Gen 1 (or Gen 5 if you like) as being done by 'God'. Both 'God' of Gen 1 and 'the LORD God' in Gen 2 are God.

Verb construction becomes important in the day you can begin understanding what God and the Lord God (Christ) are doing in plain modern English in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. :0) The ‘seventh day’ began in Genesis 2:1-3 when GOD RESTED and the Lord God (Christ) began working on this still ongoing ‘Sabbath Day.’

So is his father. You are making the basic mistake of thinking the two accounts are sequential.

God created the sixth day people (Gen. 1:26-28) on the SIXTH DAY, as the native inhabitants of the earth have been around for millions of years. The Lord God formed “Adam” on this “seventh day” (Gen. 2:7) that started in Genesis 2:1-4. You guys can continue taking seventh day events out of Genesis 2 to toss them back into the first six days if that makes you happy, but unfortunately that would also make all of your interpretations dead wrong. I can only help people willing to understand God’s Living Word in the way Scripture 'is' written and the seventh day (Gen. 2:1-4+) comes after the sixth day of Genesis 1.

God formed Adam in Gen 1 if you check you Hebrew. It is the same word. If I am counting right you have a total of three different creations in the beginning of Genesis, you have a complete and perfect creation in Gen 1:1 which is then destroyed before God starts again in Gen 1:2. God create everything in the rest of Gen 1, and then there is another creation in Gen 2 where plants and trees, birds, beasts and livestock, man and woman are all created again? I think you are misreading it. Revelation tells us the heavens and earth we have now are the first ones.

If you are going to place Genesis 2 ‘seventh day’ events back into Genesis 1, then the verb tense construction is meaningless to the discussion.

Why?

The marriage supper of the Lamb ‘ends’ this current age (Rev. 19:5-10) like the end of every age for all the ‘ages to come’ (Eph. 2:7).

More weddings

To call this ‘book of prophecy’ mere Jewish apocalyptic literature casts a very large shadow over my confidence in your own ability to interpret Revelation accurately.

Who said anything about 'mere'?
The thing is, John calls it an apocalypse. Rev 1:1 This is the Revelation (Greek Apokalupsis αποκαλυψι&#962 of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things which must happen soon, which he sent and made known by his angel to his servant, John,

My point is that New Jerusalem above also has trees that are much more than just mere trees that we see on this earth. Adam is a ‘heavenly angel/man’ in Genesis 2:7 with Adam and Eve continuing to be ‘heavenly beings’ until the fall of Genesis 3, until the Lord God puts them in human skins (Gen. 3:21) and drives them out of Eden (Gen. 3:24).

Here is a problem people sometimes have with symbolic scriptures, it is not that the trees (or is it a tree?) are more than trees, they are not really trees at all. The tree symbolise something quite different in nature, though tree is a good metaphor. Look at it this way. Jesus said he was the true vine and we are the branches. We don't say Jesus is much more than just a mere grape vine, as if he were a vine but a lot more besides. Jesus isn't a vine, or bread, or a door. These are metaphors, there is something in the picture that tells us about Jesus. But he is not actually a vine. In fact I think the tree in the New Jerusalem is the same picture. It is Jesus who brings healing to the nations.

Gotta leave it there Terral, its getting late.

Cheers

 

[Terral]

Hi Assyrian:

Not sure you can separate their work that easily, either in creation or today. If you think this is the seventh day, you need to bear in mind what Jesus said John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I am working."

In other words, Assyrian does not know the differences between “My Father Who is IN HEAVEN” (Matt. 10:32-33 = diagram) and the “Only True God” (Jn 17:3) who raised Christ from the dead. That is truly unfortunate indeed . . .

Neither Jesus nor his Father stopped working, the seventh day rest was not God literally stopping work, also both Jesus and the Father are working, you cannot say God the Father stopped and Jesus took over.

Assyrian’s idolatry will NEVER become a reason for the things I can or cannot say. Those among you without the knowledge of the VAST differences between “My Father who is IN HEAVEN” and “The Almighty” (Rev. 1:8), that Paul calls the “one God” (1Tim. 2:5), have no business offering Bible commentary TO ANYONE. Not only are you deceived by the ‘god of this world’ (2Cor. 4:3-4) himself, but his ‘deluding influence’ is forcing you to ‘believe what is false’ (2Thes. 2:11) even though I have been showing you these differences using Scripture and diagrams from the beginning. The reason you see these “quotes” around key words in my testimony is because a majority here needs someone to hold them by the hand lead them through even the most basic teachings like the differences between the “God” of Genesis 1:1 and the “Lord God” of Genesis 2 representing His Only Begotten Son our Lord Jesus Christ.

“God” of Genesis 1:1 is “The Almighty” of Revelation 1:8 having ‘three witnesses’ (pic) in “God To Come” (spirit), “God Who Is” (blood) and “God Who Was” (water witness Helper). “God Who Is” is speaking in Genesis 1:26 saying, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness . . .”. Jesus Christ calls “My God” (Jn 20:17) the “Only True God” in John 17:3 like Paul calls Him the “One God and Father” in Ephesians 4:6 who raised Christ (F+S+HS) from the dead. Romans 10:9. The fact is plainly obviously that you are looking at my diagrams like this (diagram) without one clue as to what is going on. Clearly you can see God’s Three Witnesses to the far left of Figure 1 and the top of Figure 2, but your eyes gloss over and ‘the truth’ about “God’s True Identity” flies light years above your head anyway. This is the reason that when I say the “Heaven” of Genesis 1:1 is “The Word/Son/Christ,” that your eyes gloss over again and the same denominationalism babble is sent back in my direction like there is something wrong with my testimony. :0) Therefore, I will try again to help you break down the walls of ignorance and darkness that stop the Light of ‘the truth’ from shining through, but again, there is no guarantee that the majority here will see anything at all. First we go to Genesis 1:1 and to the very beginning:

Diagram 03

“In the beginning God [golden sphere] created the Heaven [red sphere] and the Earth [blue sphere].” Genesis 1:1.

The first verse of Genesis 1 unzips to become the first three verses of John 1 for “God” (John 1:1), The Word/Heaven (John 1:2) and this Earth/Creation/Adam (John 1:3). Looking at the diagram, then you are seeing the model/pattern for the Temple (diagram) that also happens to be the 'triune' pattern of a man (diagram). You cannot see God’s Three Witnesses, nor The Word’s Three Witnesses, nor the Earth’s Three Witnesses, because “In the beginning” they were ALL represented as Singularity Expressions like you see in Genesis 1:1. There was no ‘God To Come’ and no ‘God Who Is’ and no ‘God Who Was,’ because they are all “ONE” and the same thing in “God” of Genesis 1:1. You cannot see “My Father Who is IN HEAVEN” (spirit witness) nor the “Son” and cannot see Their “Holy Spirit” (water witness) Helper, because they all share the same “The Word/Heaven” glory ‘before the world was’ (Jn 17:5). You cannot see the Heavens (spirit), or Heaven (blood witness) or the Earth (water witness helper) that came to exist in Genesis 1:6-8, because they do not yet exist in Genesis 1:1. Those are the three witnesses of this Adamic Universe that also existed “In the beginning” as a Singularity Expression, until ‘this’ happened in Genesis 1:2:

Diagram 04

Figure 1 shows “God” in His Singularity Expression state while the “Heaven/Word” is now broken down (pierced) into the Father (spirit), Son (blood) and Holy Spirit (water). The waters above the expanse were divided from the waters below the expanse, so that rejoining them together “heaven” of this Adamic Universe came to exist in Genesis 1:8. Figure 2 shows God’s Three Witnesses in the “Holy of Holies” of the “True Tabernacle” (Heb. 8:1-2) that God pitched and not men. “Christ Jesus” is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit standing under the white arrow in “The Heaven” of Genesis 1:1 that is the “Highest Heaven” of 1Kings 8:27 with “Heaven” standing between the Heavens and Earth of This Adamic Creation. Jesus Christ is the ‘incarnation’ of The Heaven/Word and John the Baptist (Adam/Elijah/David) is the incarnation of The Earth of the same Genesis 1:1 verse.

When Christ says that, “I and the Father are One” (Jn 10:30), then He (Son) is talking about “My Father who is IN HEAVEN” directly under the white arrow of Diagram 04. Take your finger and draw a circle around the “Father” (in yellow) and His “Only Son” (in red) to verify that “I and the Father are One.” The Father is the ‘spirit’ of Christ Jesus/The Word and the Son is the ‘soul’ of Christ Jesus/The Word and the Holy Spirit is the ‘body/helper’ of Christ Jesus/The Word and “the three are into the One.” 1Jn 5:8. Next, move over to Figure 2 for the most important part of this exercise and use your finger to draw a circle around “Christ Jesus” (F+S+HS = in red) and “God” in His Infinite Realm contained inside the yellow ring around BOTH REALMS. Christ Jesus (F+S+HS) has the same “Son” relationship with The Almighty (GTC, GWI, GWW) that the ‘Son’ has with “My Father Who is IN HEAVEN,” because “Christ Jesus” (F+S+HS) is the “Son of God.” 2Cor. 1:19. “My Father who is IN HEAVEN” is the ‘spirit witness’ of “The Heaven/Word” who cannot be confused with the “Only True God” who sent Christ (F+S+HS) into the world (The Earth) to save sinners.

You are guilty of worshiping something ‘IN HEAVEN’ (Exodus 20:4) as the “Only True God” that heaven and even the Highest Heaven cannot contain! 1Kings 8:27. Scripture teaches that Christ’s Father has been seen (Jn 14:7-10) and the Holy Spirit has been seen (Jn 1:32) descending from heaven and the Son of God has been seen (Jn 1:34) even ascending back into heaven (Acts 1:9-11). Right? Of course. Okay then. Scripture also says that “NO ONE has seen GOD at any time . . .” (Jn 1:18)!!!! The majority of you are worshipping “The Word/Son” (F+S+HS) as the “Only True God,” which amounts to nothing short of IDOLATRY ‘and’ that is the reason my Genesis 1+2 statements of ‘the truth’ continue to fly light years (understatement) above your deluded heads . . .

As we see in that Colossians verse I quoted, Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created through him and for him. You cannot separate the of Christ from his Father. All things were created were created by and through that included the work of creation we see in Gen 1.

Nobody is dividing the “Son” from “My Father who is IN HEAVEN,” nor Their Holy Spirit water witness Helper, because They are the three witnesses of God’s Living Word/Heaven “IN” Whom this Adamic Creation was called to exist like this:

Diagram 18

While Diagram 03 and Diagram 04 above show a ‘Tabernacle’ view of God, The Heaven/Word and The Earth/Adam, this diagram accurately represents ‘the truth’ that “The Creation” (Jn 1:3) was called to exist “IN Him” or “IN Christ Jesus.”

“He [The Heaven/Word] is before all things [The Earth/Adam], and “IN Him” all things [The Earth/Adam] hold together.” Colossians 1:17.

God is the infinite shell and The Heaven/Word is the white of the egg shown in red ‘and’ The Earth/Adam is the yoke of the egg shown in blue. Here is wisdom for those paying attention: Adam/John the Baptist/Elijah/David/Abraham is the ‘incarnation’ of the little blue sphere (The Earth) and Jesus Christ (Lord God) is the ‘incarnation’ of the red sphere (The Heaven/Word) ‘and’ the ‘incarnation’ of “God” will walk among us in Revelation 21:1+, as it is written:

“Then I saw a new Heaven [Word] and a new Earth [Adam/Creation]; for the first Heaven and the first Earth [Gen. 1:1] PASSED AWAY, and there is no longer any sea. And I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven [Word/Son = diagram] from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away." Revelation 21:1-4.

Jesus Christ (F+S+HS) walked this earth as the “Son of God” (Jn 1:34), which includes the ‘spirit witness’ of “My Father who is IN HEAVEN” and the ‘water witness’ of the “Holy Spirit Helper.” God will walk among us in New Jerusalem, but the “Lamb” is there at His Right Hand!!!

[Continued]

 

[Terral]

“I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty ‘and’ the Lamb are its Temple. And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.” Revelation 21:22-23.

Again, the three witnesses of “The Almighty” are given to you on a silver platter in Revelation 1:8 ‘and’ the three witnesses of The Heaven/Word/Son are also handed over to you freely in Matthew 28:19. “God” is working in Genesis 1 ‘and’ His Son of God (F+S+HS) takes over on this ‘seventh day’ that begins in Genesis 2:1-4! God made the sixth day people of Genesis 1:26-28 ‘and’ the Lord God formed His “son of God” Adam to represent this entire universe in one “man sent from God” (John 1:6) who has been testifying about the “Light” (Gen. 1:3) in many 'skins' (Gen. 3:21) from the very beginning (John 1:4-9).

Revelation does not mention an eighth day, but you could take it that way if you wanted to.

Really? :0) Thank you very much. I know FOR CERTAIN that the eighth day begins in Revelation 21:1, when God recreates the New Heaven and New Earth of Genesis 1:1, whether you guys want to accept ‘the truth’ or not. Please forgive, but the people running around without the knowledge of the VAST differences between the “Only True God” and “My Father who is IN HEAVEN” are numbered among those without even one clue.

The only biblical exposition I know of where we are in terms of the days of creation is in Hebrews 3&4, where God's seventh day rest is a rest that is going on now, but it is parallel to another 'day age' the world is experiencing, the 'while it is called Today'.

If you wish to quote something from Hebrews 3 or 4 (heh) to make an argument for something else, then please do so . . .

The seventh day is not a literal rest, both God the Father and Jesus are working still, nor is the world in that seventh day, but we are called to enter into it. So I would say in terms of Day Age, we are in the sixth day, and the seventh day is that place of rest in the presence of God.

In other words, Assyrian is more willing to guess that we are living in the sixth day (heh), when Adam was formed on the seventh day in Genesis 2. That is an impressive time machine . . . When Scripture says that God rested on this seventh day (Gen. 2:1-3), then you just ignore ‘the truth’ and pretend He is still working . . . :0) That is funny too. We have been living through the same ‘evil age’ (Gal. 1:4) since the ‘this darkness’ (Eph. 6:12) fell in Genesis 1:2 ‘and’ the next age begins in Revelation 21:1 with the New Heaven and New Earth. All of this has been explained in other posts on other threads, but somebody remains mired in speculation . . .

Or at least not coming up with your unique answers... Genesis 2 describes the same creation as Genesis 1, man or Adam in Hebrew, both male and female, plants, animals, birds and livestock.

No sir. God is working in Genesis 1 and His "High Priest" Son (F+S+HS) is working on this Sabbath Day (Matt. 12:8) extending to Revelation 21:1. I cannot imagine Assyrian digging his hole any deeper. :0)

You have two different people writing two very different descriptions of creation with differnt styles of writing and different terms to describe God. But it is the same God they are describing whether they call him Elohiym or Yahweh Elohiym.

No sir. This is foolishness. The first five books of Scripture were written by Moses who represents just one ‘skin’ for your mother Eve like Noah, Sarah and Bathsheba. She is writing differently in Genesis 1, because the Principal working IS GOD. The account switches gears in Genesis 2, because she is writing about the Lord God (Christ) doing His consecration work on this seventh day.

Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man (Hebrew Adam) in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." So God created man (the Adam) in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Gen 1 describes the creation of Adam too. I don't know where you get the idea God clothed Adam and Eve in human skins, ugh. They were already flesh and bone in Gen 2 (see v 23), they were hardly walking around flayed.

No sir. That is Assyrian’s interpretation from a guy that does not even know the differences between God and His Living Word (Christ = F+S+HS).

It is a completely different account of the creation, separated by a new heading in verse 4 These Are the Generations of the Heavens and Earth. You cannot assume the second account continues on from where the first left off in verse 3, especially when it covers the same ground as much of the first account.

No sir. That is the deluding influence talking again. These kinds of misinterpretations of Genesis 1 and 2 spring up from trying to toss ‘seventh day’ works back into Genesis 1 where God is working through the first six days of ‘recreation.’ Again, those among you unwilling to acknowledge the first six days (Gen. 1) and this still-ongoing ‘seventh day’ (Gen. 2:1-4+) are numbered among the clueless. The Lord God’s work (Christ’s work) in Genesis 2 pertains to Adam and the Garden of this local planet earth. God created the entire universe in Genesis 1:1 from the heavens and earth debris created by the “Big Bang” in Genesis 1:2.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[gluadys]

Any thoughts on the apparent discrepancy?

That it should not be called "apparent". It is a discrepancy. So what? Is that a bad thing?

 

[gluadys]

Adam is a ‘heavenly’ being from Genesis 2:7 to the time Eve was taken from his side (Gen. 2:20-22)

I've been avoiding your posts because they totally confuse me.

For instance, in this one you have lost me in the first half-sentence quoted above.

Where do you get this from? Why do you say Adam was a heavenly being?

 

[Chesterton]

That it should not be called "apparent". It is a discrepancy. So what? Is that a bad thing?

If that sounded pointed, I didn’t intend it. I can’t read Hebrew, so I couldn’t even begin to argue with Assyrian on that (I’m not certain I disagree anyway).

I guess I gave the OP a wrong answer, but as the wording did not definitely indicate a chronology in three different English translations I checked, I assumed it was the same in the original language. A majority of the time that’d be a correct assumption, but it wasn’t here, so I stand corrected.

However, having said that, is there any chance Assyrian is wrong? I ask that because I visited a couple of “Ask A Rabbi” type websites, and there were distinctions made between “creating” animals in chapter 1, and “forming” animals in chapter 2, saying that in chapter 2 animals were already created, and they just needed to be formed. Then another explanation had chapter 1’s “of the earth” phrase meaning water, and chapter 2’s “earth” meaning mud. I got confused by that and gave up.

I'll just throw that in, since it appears that whether or not it’s a discrepancy could be argued, but not by me. I don’t know enough, and it seems we’d agree that it doesn’t matter.

 

[Terral]

Hi Gluadys:

Thank you for writing and for asking questions. :0)

I've been avoiding your posts because they totally confuse me. For instance, in this one you have lost me in the first half-sentence quoted above. Where do you get this from? Why do you say Adam was a heavenly being?

Look at Genesis 2:7 through Genesis 2:20-22 as Adam, her seed and Eve all walking around “IN” Adam (like this) in a very much immortal spirit, soul and body all rolled into one. Adam is a ‘walking’ version of the universe (heavens, heaven and earth), but ‘before’ ‘Eth Erets (Gen. 1:1) became formless and void in Genesis 1:2. Adam is like “The Word” (same deal) before the Father, Son and Holy Spirit became the three witnesses testifying (1Jn 5:7-8) in a ‘triune’ universe. Adam was not an angel and also was not a mere man like the sixth day people of Genesis 1:26-28 that have been on earth for millions of years. Adam was an immortal angel/man rolled together with Eve and every incarnate 'god' IN him. Jesus Christ is the “Son of God” (Jn 1:34) in His relationship to the “one God and Father” and Adam is the ‘son of God’ (Luke 3:38) to our Lord Jesus Christ who is the “Lord God” of Genesis 2:4+. Before you say, "Adam was 'a' son of God," then realize everyone obeying the gospel has 'adoption AS SONS.' The same goes for Israel of the flesh (Rom 9:4). Everyone in this universe remains a member of "Adam's Body" right up to the time they are made alive IN Christ. 1Cor 15:22. The Word (Christ) formed this universe IN Himself ‘and’ the Lord God (Christ) formed Adam as a heavenly being for a heavenly garden to represent this entire universe in one ‘man sent from God.’

Adam and Eve lived as heavenly beings in the heavenly garden very similar to the New Heaven of Revelation 21:1+, until the day that the Lord God subjected both of His two witnesses to futility and drove them out of the garden in Genesis 3:22-24. That is the time that the Lord God gave them ‘skins’ (Gen. 3:21), which were human skins in the likeness of the sixth day people of Genesis 1:26-28. The key to understanding Adam’s essence in Genesis 2:7-20, and then Adam and Eve’s existence from Genesis 2:22-30, is to realize that the ‘fall’ caused ‘her seed’ to give up the very things obtained in the New Heaven and New Earth of Revelation 21:1+. Death is thrown into the lake of fire in Revelation 20:14 for Scripture to say of God, “He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death . . .”. Rev. 21:4. The condition for death entering the situation came with the forbidden fruit that became the Lord God’s way of introducing Satan’s evil seed into the ‘wheat and tares’ situation. However, the only way these heavenly beings could begin producing ‘her seed’ and ‘your seed’ (Gen. 3:15) was for the Lord God to clothe them in human skins (Gen. 3:21) and boot them out of the heavenly garden and into an existence of hardship and labor for bread on the visible water witness ‘land’ (pic) literally on this earth.

By obeying the gospel today (#2 here), you obtain the same thing that Adam had in the garden; which is ‘immortality’ of 1Corinthians 15:51-53. Again, 'all' die IN Adam and all are made alive IN Christ. 1Corinthians 15:22. Adam lived for 930 years (Gen. 5:5) from the time of the ‘fall’ and his expulsion from the Garden that ends Genesis 3 to the end of his life with Satan’s heel on his head without mercy every step of the way . Isaiah 53 is written in the past tense, because the type is Adam and the first fulfillment was in Christ 2000 years ago. Try reading through that chapter again making John the Baptist/Adam the ‘tender shoot’ (Isa. 53:3) that Christ is talking about in Matthew 11:7-14 (reed in the wind).

Thank you again for taking the time to ask some very good questions,

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[gluadys]

If that sounded pointed, I didn’t intend it. I can’t read Hebrew, so I couldn’t even begin to argue with Assyrian on that (I’m not certain I disagree anyway).

I guess I gave the OP a wrong answer, but as the wording did not definitely indicate a chronology in three different English translations I checked, I assumed it was the same in the original language. A majority of the time that’d be a correct assumption, but it wasn’t here, so I stand corrected.

I see. No problem. It is important to get back to the Hebrew original, and Assyrian's knowledge in that field is an asset to us all here.

However, having said that, is there any chance Assyrian is wrong? I ask that because I visited a couple of “Ask A Rabbi” type websites, and there were distinctions made between “creating” animals in chapter 1, and “forming” animals in chapter 2, saying that in chapter 2 animals were already created, and they just needed to be formed. Then another explanation had chapter 1’s “of the earth” phrase meaning water, and chapter 2’s “earth” meaning mud. I got confused by that and gave up.

There are schools of thought among both Christians and Jews that require the scripture to contain no contradiction. So when a contradiction does exist they need--on the basis of their theology--to go into mental contortions to explain that it is not really a contradiction. It is very confusing, as you discovered, and IMO a complete waste of time. Better to toss out a theology that clearly doesn't work with the reality of scripture.

it seems we’d agree that it doesn’t matter.

Exactly.

What discrepancies like this do lead into are some interesting insights into the origin of scripture. You might like to check out Richard Friedman's Who Wrote the Bible? And also his translation of the Pentateuch called The Bible with Sources Revealed. In it the various source materials are distinguished by font and colour so you can see who wrote what.

Most discrepancies in scripture occur because one is getting the same story from two or more sources and the sources disagree.

 

[gluadys]

Look at Genesis 2:7 through Genesis 2:20-22 as Adam, her seed and Eve all walking around “IN” Adam (like this)

Why?

 

[Terral]

Hi Gluadys:

Why?

That is the way the Lord God (Christ) formed Adam in Genesis 2:7. Do you see Eve or her seed walking around anywhere in Genesis 2:7-19? No. Where are they? The Lord God removed them from Adam’s side in Genesis 2:20-22. Then you will ask, “Why?!” :0) God (Gen. 1) took the earth and heaven out of the broken ‘Eth Erets to give us the heavens (Adam), heaven (her seed) and earth (Eve) ‘and’ the Lord God is doing the same exact operation on Adam in his ‘incarnation.’

Why? The Lord God (Christ) is subjecting Adam and Eve to the same exact ‘futility’ that ‘Eth Erets is enduring (Rom. 8:20-22) now having a heavens, heaven and earth. God performed the same operation on “The Word” to give us the Father (spirit), Son (blood) and Holy Spirit (water witness Helper), because that is the ONLY WAY that ‘The Word’ can interact with men (spirit, soul and body) in this now ‘broken’ triune universe. This means that Adam was also a ‘singularity’ like The Word, until the Lord God ‘pierced’ Adam into Adam (spirit), her seed (blood) and Eve (water witness helper).

Why? :0) God’s intention is to sum all things in the heavens (spirit) and earth (water) back up IN Christ (Eph. 1:9-10), which reverses the trinity process and restores us back to our singularity (angel + man) state of ‘immortality’ (1Cor. 15:51-53).

Why? Because that is the only way all the members of Adam’s broken body can be made alive IN Christ Jesus. 1Cor. 15:22. Why? :0) That is the only way that Humpty Adam can be put back together again, after Satan murdered him in God’s Infinite Realm. That is the very reason that God told The Word to ‘Go over there and remake Adam IN Yourself ‘again,’ which is exactly what happened in Genesis 1:1 when God created the Heaven/Word and the Earth/Adam.

Why? :0) That is the only way that God could then pierce ‘Eth Erets (Adam) to create the mirror ‘water witness’ image of His dead “son of God” in His Infinite Realm now being restored. Why? :0) God created the envelope of ‘time and space’ (red and blue spheres only) shared by The Word (F+S+HS) and This Creation (Adam = heavens, heaven and earth), so that all theses ages pass in the flash of a single instant from the perspective of the ‘gods’ standing around Adam’s dead body in God’s Infinite Realm. This means that God’s Infinite Realm is frozen in time from our temporal perspective, so that He can restore Adam to an even ‘more’ glorious state than he had before Satan murdered him.

Why? :0) Satan was God’s anointed cherub that covers (Eze. 28:14 = stones of fire at very top with God) things, so God could keep secrets from His sons; and all of the precious stones in his ephod (like this) opens doors in God’s Infinite Realm that the sons of God do not even know are doors. When God restores Adam to his new glorious state, then all of Satan’s stones (Eze. 28:13) will become part of Adam’s new ephod (David danced naked with his linen ephod before the Ark in 2Sam. 6:14), so that he can testify about the “Light” to his brethren in God’s Infinite Realm.

Why? :0) The sons of God in God’s Infinite Realm are members of one another (like the members of Christ’s body = Rom. 12:4-5), which means we all have ‘incarnations’ inside of one another. This means that you as ‘gods’ (Ps. 82:6, Jn. 10:34) can know what Adam knows ‘AND’ (the best part), God’s sons will become immune to the deceptions of any future Satan forever and ever and ever. :0) Therefore, when Scripture says that “the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, IN HOPE . . .,” (Rom 8:20), then that “hope” extends FAR beyond this creation and FAR beyond anything IN Christ Jesus and into God’s Infinite Realm where the sons of God will be transformed into a glorious state FAR beyond our abilities to fathom.

Why? Because the moment God saw iniquity/unrighteousness in His anointed cherub (Eze. 28:15), then He knew sacrificing Adam was the right thing to do. The next time you read Isaiah 53, then shed a tear for your father Adam. When the Lord God (Christ) uttered these words, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?," (Mark 15:34), then He was reciting the same exact words of your father Adam on the day he died and the day Christ drove him from the garden . . . Why? Because the sacrifice of that day could only be made by the Lord God (Christ) who formed him with everyone here 'IN' him back in Genesis 2:7 . . .

In Christ Jesus,

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