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Ignoring how?You are not ignoring Genesis 2:4, are you?
The Sabbath was a day (24 hours) set aside by God for man to rest just like God rested on the 7th day.Which Sabbath?
No need to assume.
The Bible says God created "the man"; told the man to eat of the trees, of the garden - not drink milk; gave the man instructions, no baby would understand...
Adam was created an adult.
My body is partly made up of water. Not sure what your getting atI'd appreciate you sharing those studies with me... even one would be good enough.
Oh. Okay. Now, that makes sense.
So, do you believe it is correct to say, you are water?
Would you be comfortable telling that to a child, or someone you met on the streets.
YesWas the earth covered by water, according to Genesis?
No idea - probablyWas the water really deep, according to Genesis?
Yes, it includes a historical account of creation.Do you believe Genesis?
Random does not exist and all the Hebrew letters mean something. I usually name the animals here and people almost always accept it because it is easy to remember and easy to identify the animal from the name.start rattling off the first thing that comes to mind.
Adam was created the same way everyone else was created.Adam was created as an Adult!
Well, earlier, when i referred to that scripture, you said,Ignoring how?
And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years.
I'm sorry. I assumed you knew there was more than one Sabbath.The Sabbath was a day (24 hours) set aside by God for man to rest just like God rested on the 7th day.
I am looking forward to it.Adam was created as an Adult! Think about that. I’ll get back to you on that.
You could have said the same about the earth, rather than say the earth is water. Do you follow?My body is partly made up of water. Not sure what your getting at
Okay, good.
You do not know if the water was really deep?No idea - probably
Thank you.Yes, it includes a historical account of creation.
The Hebrew for day in Genesis one is different from the word used in 2:4 the letter בְּ is added. This actually is the first letter in the Bible. The B in beginning. This represents tent or dwelling. God's desire for a tabernacle to become a part of His creation.The fact that Genesis 2:4 refers to the six creative days as a day, is significant, because it draws to the attention of readers, that a day in the Genesis creative days, is a period of time, and is not tied to man's time after the six day creation period.
The age-old debate about the meaning of "earth" in Genesis 1. I'm intrigued by the way our interpretations can reveal as much about our own thought processes as they do about the text itself.There are a lot of YEC people who believe "The First Day" is a literal 24 hour day. So in the literal Bible what happened on this first "day"? Usually they God created
the Earth on the first day. But what does "Earth" mean in this verse? We are told "the earth was without form, and void". We have a ton of questions here and so far we have only defined ONE word, the word DAY. There are a lot of words here that need defined but it is usually agreed that we are talking about the word "earth". So WHAT does this word: "earth" mean in the literal Bible. JUST THE BIBLE. If you want to ONLY use the Bible to define the word DAY then we have to apply the same rule to the word: "Earth". What does JUST the BIBLE say the word "Earth" means? Then we have to go though all the words to look at just what the literal Bible says. You reject science for what a day is so it is only fair that you can not use science to define what the rest of the words in the passage say or mean. GAP people say there was a GAP of time between beginning and "the earth was without form and void". We see this term used also in Jeremiah 4:23 "I looked at the earth, and it was formless and void; and at the heavens, and their light was gone." The Bible defines the Bible so how do we use these terms in Jeremiah to understand what the term "formless and void" means in Genesis one. No cheating. You can not use Science because you have already rejected science when you define day as a 24 hour day. So we can not use science to define any of the other words in the literal passage. In the literal bible what was Jeremiah: "looking" at?
בָּרָ֣א
bā-rā)
That is even more complicated than the word "day". Genesis chapter one does talk about a 24 hour. But the story of Noah does not say the whole world will be flooded. Even though there are people who claim that is what the Bible says. There was a world wide flood at the time of Pangea. We find the remains of dinosaurs in flood deposits.So, what does the Bible say about the meaning of "earth"?
God declares the end from the beginning. Even though Adam and Eve sold out to the Devil it is believed that they repented so creation can be redeemed and restored to God's plan and purpose. We have dominion and authority so God has to work in and through us.Do we see Him as a master builder, constructing something from scratch, or as a master artist, bringing order and beauty to an existing canvas?
Sorry, I don't understand where you get the notion that "the story of Noah does not say the whole world will be flooded." If the whole earth were not to be flooded, what was the point of the ark? And how could God's words be true when He spoke of "destroying all flesh"?:That is even more complicated than the word "day". Genesis chapter one does talk about a 24 hour. But the story of Noah does not say the whole world will be flooded. Even though there are people who claim that is what the Bible says. There was a world wide flood at the time of Pangea. We find the remains of dinosaurs in flood deposits.
The age-old debate about the meaning of "earth" in Genesis 1. I'm intrigued by the way our interpretations can reveal as much about our own thought processes as they do about the text itself.
Sounds reasonable to me.You're absolutely right; if we're going to insist on a literal 24-hour day, we must apply the same hermeneutical consistency to the rest of the passage. So, what does the Bible say about the meaning of "earth"?
Let's take a closer look at Jeremiah 4:23, where the prophet describes the earth as "formless and void." Here, the context suggests that Jeremiah is not describing a pre-creation state but rather a devastated landscape, devoid of life and light. This implies that "formless and void" might not necessarily mean "non-existent" or "uncreated," but rather "without purpose" or "lacking order."
In this light, Genesis 1:2 could be seen as describing a state of chaos, where the earth exists but lacks the beauty, purpose, and functionality that God is about to bring into being.
Or both.But here's the fascinating part: our interpretation of "earth" reveals our own understanding of God's creative power. Do we see Him as a master builder, constructing something from scratch, or as a master artist, bringing order and beauty to an existing canvas?
Yes. The Bible states...Sorry, I don't understand where you get the notion that "the story of Noah does not say the whole world will be flooded." If the whole earth were not to be flooded, what was the point of the ark? And how could God's words be true when He spoke of "destroying all flesh"?:
“"And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which [is] the breath of life; everything that [is] on the earth shall die.” (Ge 6:17 NKJV)
In the next chapter, we read of the fulfillment of those words:
“21 ¶ And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. 22 All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of the spirit of life, all that [was] on the dry [land], died. 23 So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who [were] with him in the ark remained [alive].” (Ge 7:21-23 NKJV)
No idea there that there were some living creatures apart from those in the ark who were not killed by the Flood.
Good observation. I'm glad you noticed.The Hebrew for day in Genesis one is different from the word used in 2:4 the letter בְּ is added. This actually is the first letter in the Bible.
This is similar to your other claims Diamond. They are opinions stated as if they are fact... but where is the supported reference?The B in beginning. This represents tent or dwelling. God's desire for a tabernacle to become a part of His creation.
This is another opinion stated as fact, Diamond.That is even more complicated than the word "day". Genesis chapter one does talk about a 24 hour.
Did you read these scriptures?But the story of Noah does not say the whole world will be flooded. Even though there are people who claim that is what the Bible says.
It is reasonable to conclude that the earth was a supercontinent during Noah's day, before the flood. So, there is evidence of a global flood then. Thanks for that.There was a world wide flood at the time of Pangea. We find the remains of dinosaurs in flood deposits.
Where did you read in the Bible, that Adam and Eve repented?God declares the end from the beginning. Even though Adam and Eve sold out to the Devil it is believed that they repented so creation can be redeemed and restored to God's plan and purpose. We have dominion and authority so God has to work in and through us.
Random does exist when dealing with free will and we don’t know what language Adam spoke.Random does not exist and all the Hebrew letters mean something. I usually name the animals here and people almost always accept it because it is easy to remember and easy to identify the animal from the name.
So random them becomes philosophical. We know Adam spoke Hebrew. God did not confuse the language until the tower of Babel. Some people believe there was Sematic and Sumerian. This is where we get hooked on phonics. Yet the alphabet is still pretty much the same. Is there a difference between written and spoken language? In China they have many different languages but there is a universal language that everyone speaks.Random does exist when dealing with free will and we don’t know what language Adam spoke.
We know Adam spoke Hebrew.
We don’tHow do we know that?
We don’t
Very silly. "In the day" is simply an informal way of referring to past times. It’s not representing that creation 6 days as 1 day.As though Genesis 2:4 does not exist.
The fact that Genesis 2:4 refers to the six creative days as a day, is significant, because it draws to the attention of readers, that a day in the Genesis creative days, is a period of time, and is not tied to man's time after the six day creation period.
A day has nothing to do with the sun. It’s based on the rotation of the earth 1 complete time.Times and seasons from man's perspective, began after the six days, as is evident from Genesis 1:14, which reads...
Additionally, since most persons (do you?) do not believe there was any sun, until the fourth day, it would mean that the days, which the sun and moon serves to mark, or indicate, could not be the same days, referred to during the six creative periods - days from God's perspective.
It’s not based on anything rotating around the sun. You may want to stop posting about this and just accept what the Bible literally saysIf you are not ignoring, Genesis 2:4, then why are you remaining rigid about those six days being the same period as marked by the rotation of the earth, around the sun?
The Creation sabbath is 24 hours long.I'm sorry. I assumed you knew there was more than one Sabbath.
The second is not the first, and the first is not the second, and are not the same length.
- There is the Sabbath day, rest of God, which is not 24 hours long.
- There is the Sabbath day God instructed the nation of Israel to keep, which is from sundown to sundown.
- There are the yearly Sabbaths.
If you are using the second to try to substantiate the idea of a 24 hour creative day, it begs the question, "why are you ignoring the first, which is not 24 hours, but ongoing, from Genesis 2:2, 3 almost 6,000 years now?"
I forgot to use speaking to kids approach.I am looking forward to it.
You could have said the same about the earth, rather than say the earth is water. Do you follow?
YesOkay, good.
The earth covered by water, according to Genesis.
How do we know that Adam spoke Hebrew? The bible doesn't tell us what the one language was that everybody spoke before God confused languages at the tower of Babel.So random them becomes philosophical. We know Adam spoke Hebrew. God did not confuse the language until the tower of Babel. Some people believe there was Sematic and Sumerian. This is where we get hooked on phonics. Yet the alphabet is still pretty much the same. Is there a difference between written and spoken language? In China they have many different languages but there is a universal language that everyone speaks.
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