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I didn’t know how to link this article so I copied and pasted it below. I hope that’s ok. My question is,can new genes emerge from scratch? And if so, how does that impact Christianity? The subject and article are above my head.



Can New Genes Emerge from Scratch?

Evolution News | @DiscoveryCSC
January 20, 2020, 5:12 AM


Evolutionary theory must account for millions of new, functional genes by chance. Here are some ideas proposed recently for overcoming the huge probability barrier.

In a news feature in Nature, Adam Levy writes about “How evolution builds genes from scratch.” Already he is personifying evolution as a builder. Alarms should go off, but he continues. “Scientists long assumed that new genes appear when evolution tinkers with old ones.” Is he prepping his readers for a falsification of the Tinkering hypothesis? His next sentence tantalizes, “It turns out that natural selection is much more creative.” So now, evolution (and its effective synonym, natural selection) is a creative builder. This demands careful investigation.

Arctic Antifreeze
Levy’s case in point is a gene for antifreeze proteins found in Atlantic cod that survive freezing waters in the Arctic. He claims the gene just popped into existence.

Where codfish got this talent was a puzzle that evolutionary biologist Helle Tessand Baalsrud wanted to solve. She and her team at the University of Oslo searched the genomes of the Atlantic cod (Gadus morhua) and several of its closest relatives, thinking they would track down the cousins of the antifreeze gene.None showed up. Baalsrud, who at the time was a new parent, worried that her lack of sleep was causing her to miss something obvious.

But then she stumbled on studies suggesting that genes do not always evolve from existing ones, as biologists long supposed. Instead, some are fashioned from desolate stretches of the genome that do not code for any functional molecules. When she looked back at the fish genomes, she saw hints this might be the case: the antifreeze protein — essential to the cod’s survival — had seemingly been built from scratch. By that point, another researcher had reached a similar conclusion. [Emphasis added.]

So How Did This Happen?
No observation is complete until confirmed by theory, an old reversal of logic goes. Levy goes on to list other candidates for de novo genes throughout the living world. Evolutionists must have missed how simple it is to make new functional genes.

De novo genes are even prompting a rethink of some portions of evolutionary theory.Conventional wisdom was that new genes tended to arise when existing ones are accidentally duplicated, blended with others or broken up, but some researchers now think that de novo genes could be quite common: some studies suggest at least one-tenth of genes could be made in this way; others estimate that more genes could emerge de novo than from gene duplication.

Genes devolve, he agrees, but sometimes they might innovate, too. If they can arise from scratch by repurposing noncoding DNA, Levy conjectures, this blurs the boundary of what a gene is. He quotes a Chinese geneticist remarking, “The ability of organisms to acquire new genes in this way is testament to evolution’s ‘plasticity to make something seemingly impossible, possible.’” Does this mean it’s time to close up shop at Discovery Institute? The quote harks back to George Wald’s faith that “Given enough time, the impossible becomes possible, the possible probable, and the probable virtually certain.” Perceptive readers should want more evidence before swallowing this new claim of Darwinism’s miraculous powers.

Lest anyone get too hopeful, Levy backpedals a bit:

But researchers have yet to work out how to definitively identify a gene as being de novo, and questions still remain over exactly how — and how often — they are born. Scientists also wonder why evolution would bother making genes from scratch when so much gene-ready material already exists. Such basic questions are a sign of how young the field is. “You don’t have to go back that many years before de novo gene evolution was dismissed,” Baalsrud says.

The basic idea is that “Genes can evolve from non-coding portions of DNA by gaining transcriptions and codons, in either order.” At first, such “proto-genes” might be dysfunctional or disordered, the caption reads in an infographic. But then, if the “proto-gene” gets transcribed, or acquires more codons, selective pressures might refine it into a working gene. In Levy’s imagination, the genome is littered with “junk DNA” just waiting to get its time in the sunshine.

This hypothesis is highly controversial, Levy admits. Given the vastness of sequence space and the tiny portion that is functional, it also seems overwhelmingly improbable, as protein chemist Douglas Axe has shown in his research. Noteworthy in Levy’s article are the frequent hedging words like could and might.

But what of all that noncoding DNA? A design hypothesis that Levy and his protagonists refuse to consider is that the genome has a backup system. What appear to be “junk” sequences flanked by open reading frames (ORFs) might instead be backups of functional proteins socked away for environmental contingencies, hidden by some kind of encryption system. It deserves consideration.

Accentuate the Positive, Eliminate the Negative
Another paper shows how to turn a liability into an asset. McClune et al., writing in Nature, use the vastness of sequence space to propose a different evolutionary hypothesis for de novo genes. Basically, they posit that since orthogonal sequences are unlikely to interfere with existing genes, evolution has a vast playground for inventing new genes.

These results indicate that sequence space is not densely occupied. The relative sparsity of paralogues in sequence space suggests that new insulated pathways can arise easily during evolution, or be designed de novo. We demonstrate the latter by engineering a signalling pathway in E. coli that responds to a plant cytokinin, without crosstalk to extant pathways.

In the lab, they intelligently engineered a signaling pathway, using their minds. Does this prove nature can do it by chance? The absurd conclusion comes from their belligerent faith in the power of natural selection to engineer a functional machine on cue, whenever a cell has a need. This is really quite unbelievable; “sequence space is vast and nature may not have fully occupied or explored it,” they say. Now nature is an explorer! It seeks to occupy, like some pioneer in the wild west wishing to build new towns.

A Darwinian Twist
The authors mention probability, but with a Darwinian twist:

To assess how crowded paralogues are in sequence space, we sought to engineer protein complexes that are functional but insulated from extant paralogues. If sequence space is densely occupied by existing paralogues, it should be difficult to introduce new insulated pathways…. However, if sequence space is sparsely occupied, new pathways should be easy to introduce, and have a low probability of crosstalk.

New genes should be “easy to introduce,” they think, and are unlikely to interfere due to the vastness of unexplored sequences out there in sequence-space wonderland. Let’s try that with random strings of alphabet letters. Words and paragraphs that mean something new should be easy to introduce. Anyone wish to run that experiment?

In summary, our work highlights the power of using coevolution-guided libraries to investigate protein–protein interactions and supports a model in which sequence space is not densely occupied. The relatively sparse distribution of extant proteins in sequence space presumably reflects their evolutionary history. A previous study indicated that duplicated signalling proteins are under pressure immediately after duplication to change and become insulated, but subsequent movement in sequence space then arises only from neutral changes. Although duplicated proteins are initially subject to selection against crosstalk with each other, each protein is probably not subject to system-wide negative selection or global optimization.

In summary, rather, their work shows undying faith in the power of natural selection to create complex molecular machines and gene networks from scratch. This is how Darwinians explain de novo genes: by the power of faith in imagination.

Photo: Gadus morhua, aka an Atlantic cod, by Hans-Petter Fjeld [CC BY-SA].

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I didn’t know how to link this article so I copied and pasted it below. I hope that’s ok. My question is,can new genes emerge from scratch? And if so, how does that impact Christianity? The subject and article are above my head.

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Can New Genes Emerge from Scratch?
Evolution News | @DiscoveryCSC
January 20, 2020, 5:12 AM

Uh oh. Not a great start

Its Evolution News & Science Today. They're owned/controlled by the Discovery Institute, which has a mission to produce a "positive scientific alternative to materialistic scientific theories, which has come to be called the theory of intelligent design (ID)".

Ie, they want to get rid of the theory of evolution and replace it with ID.

They're not a neutral commentator. It's part of their mission to attempt to poo-poo "materialistic scientific theories" such as the theory of evolution, as it conflicts with their attempts to push ID - which is really just an attempt to circumvent the laws preventing creationism being taught in US public schools by dressing it up in a stolen lab coat and fake glasses.

Evolutionary theory must account for millions of new, functional genes by chance. Here are some ideas proposed recently for overcoming the huge probability barrier.

Evolutionary theory already has a really good account on how novel and functional genes emerge from DNA. See this review article in the International Journal of Evolutionary Biology as a starting point.

In a news feature in Nature, Adam Levy writes about “How evolution builds genes from scratch.” Already he is personifying evolution as a builder. Alarms should go off, but he continues. “Scientists long assumed that new genes appear when evolution tinkers with old ones.” Is he prepping his readers for a falsification of the Tinkering hypothesis? His next sentence tantalizes, “It turns out that natural selection is much more creative.” So now, evolution (and its effective synonym, natural selection) is a creative builder. This demands careful investigation.

Shock news. Science journalist writing popular science article uses words and concepts easily accessed by the general public.

This is part of the Discovery Institute's standard schtick. Misconstrue meanings and use equivocation fallacies to mislead its readers into believing the statements and conclusions of an article/study are false and/or the authors don't know what they're talking about.
 
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Uh oh. Not a great start

Its Evolution News & Science Today. They're owned/controlled by the Discovery Institute, which has a mission to produce a "positive scientific alternative to materialistic scientific theories, which has come to be called the theory of intelligent design (ID)".

Ie, they want to get rid of the theory of evolution and replace it with ID.

They're not a neutral commentator. It's part of their mission to attempt to poo-poo "materialistic scientific theories" such as the theory of evolution, as it conflicts with their attempts to push ID - which is really just an attempt to get creationism taught in US schools by dressing it up in a stolen lab coat and fake glasses.



Evolutionary theory already has a really good account on how novel and functional genes emerge from DNA. See this review article in the International Journal of Evolutionary Biology as a starting point.


There are lots of articles about this, besides this site.
 
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Uh oh. Not a great start

Its Evolution News & Science Today. They're owned/controlled by the Discovery Institute, which has a mission to produce a "positive scientific alternative to materialistic scientific theories, which has come to be called the theory of intelligent design (ID)".

Ie, they want to get rid of the theory of evolution and replace it with ID.

They're not a neutral commentator. It's part of their mission to attempt to poo-poo "materialistic scientific theories" such as the theory of evolution, as it conflicts with their attempts to push ID - which is really just an attempt to circumvent the laws preventing creationism being taught in US public schools by dressing it up in a stolen lab coat and fake glasses.



Evolutionary theory already has a really good account on how novel and functional genes emerge from DNA. See this review article in the International Journal of Evolutionary Biology as a starting point.



Shock news. Science journalist writing popular science article uses words and concepts easily accessed by the general public.

This is part of the Discovery Institute's standard schtick. Misconstrue meanings and use equivocation fallacies to mislead its readers into believing the statements and conclusions of an article/study are false and/or the authors don't know what they're talking about.
 
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To summarize, I’d like to know if genes can begin from nothing? And if so, what about nothing coming from nothing?
God created them from nothing. That is the great miracle of creation. God spoke the genetic information into each cell. There is so much genetic information in each individual cell, that the whole world cannot contain all the information in any its data record systems if it was decoded into language that we can understand. This shows that the genetic information was spoken into each cell by the greatest intellect that anyone can ever imagine. The whole human body can be developed by just one brain stem cell. The total design is within each cell. The absolute miracle is that God create the cells and the genes, and spoke the coded information into them instantaneously.

Darwin never knew anything about genetics. Also, he wasn't there when the genetics were created, so he could never have known. His theory is just a big guess because God is the only eye witness to the creation.
 
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God created them from nothing. That is the great miracle of creation. God spoke the genetic information into each cell. There is so much genetic information in each individual cell, that the whole world cannot contain all the information in any its data record systems if it was decoded into language that we can understand. This shows that the genetic information was spoken into each cell by the greatest intellect that anyone can ever imagine. The whole human body can be developed by just one brain stem cell. The total design is within each cell. The absolute miracle is that God create the cells and the genes, and spoke the coded information into them instantaneously.

Darwin never knew anything about genetics. Also, he wasn't there when the genetics were created, so he could never have known. His theory is just a big guess because God is the only eye witness to the creation.
Except that mutation is constantly changing, adding and subtracting from the genetic information found in life.

Darwin didn't know the mechanism for life passing traits on to offspring, but he could see the evidence for it all the same. Later genetics came along and provided the mechanism, and created a whole new branch of scientific evidence that supported the theory of evolution.

Humans use letters to describe DNA, but it's really a very straightforward chemical reaction... just with very complex emergent properties.
 
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Except that mutation is constantly changing, adding and subtracting from the genetic information found in life.

Darwin didn't know the mechanism for life passing traits on to offspring, but he could see the evidence for it all the same. Later genetics came along and provided the mechanism, and created a whole new branch of scientific evidence that supported the theory of evolution.

Humans use letters to describe DNA, but it's really a very straightforward chemical reaction... just with very complex emergent properties.
DNA could never have happened by chance. The complexity of it could never have written itself. It had to be designed by an intelligence with the ability to write it to that degree of complexity.
 
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DNA could never have happened by chance. The complexity of it could never have written itself. It had to be designed by an intelligence with the ability to write it to that degree of complexity.
Lol. After all the threads I know you've read you still spout such unsupportable assertions. It's pathetic, really.
 
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Lol. After all the threads I know you've read you still spout such unsupportable assertions. It's pathetic, really.
Then we have nothing to discuss.
 
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DNA could never have happened by chance. The complexity of it could never have written itself. It had to be designed by an intelligence with the ability to write it to that degree of complexity.
We know how it gains complexity.

It didn't have to start with anything like the complexity it has today.

The evidence supports this, as you go back in time the fossils show progressively simpler animals and plants. In the Precambrian all life was soft and simple, little jellies and colonies of single celled organisms.
 
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There are lots of articles about this, besides this site.
Then you have even less of an excuse for using such a poor one. You might try to find the original papers that it was based upon. Using dishonest sources tends to make one look dishonest, even if the person is not trying to be.
 
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DNA could never have happened by chance. The complexity of it could never have written itself. It had to be designed by an intelligence with the ability to write it to that degree of complexity.
Only creationists make the claim of "from chance". Natural selection is the opposite of chance, that means that since natural selection plays a vital role in evolution it is not a chance event.
 
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