Generational Curses.

gratefulgrace · May 10, 2009

bluemarkus said:
i am, stuck at my parents home and am affected by generational curses.

Please explain? Are you being facetious because even if you do live with parents that are ungodly or struggling with sin, you are free in Christ to make your own decisions based on the Holy Spirits leading in your life. gg

Colossians 2:6-10

Child-of-Zion · May 10, 2009

When Christ died on the Cross all curses against us were broken Alleuia and we just need to appropriate this truth in our lives.

Exactly. What Jesus did at the cross is for us and every demonic stronghold is BROKEN in His name, but it must be appropriated!

Why is the passage of Ephesians 6:10-18 about taking a proactive stance against evil if every evil stronghold is automatically broken for us because of the cross? We still must take the authority given to us. If your commander gives you a sword on the field of battle that can cut through the enemy, but you drop the sword on the ground, how will the enemies be defeated? The power of the enemy broken but we must come into agreement and appropriate the victory over our past, our ancestors, our family. Ephesians 6:10-18 seems redundant if we have no part in coming against Satan and his demons.

Floatingaxe · May 10, 2009

Cassidy said:
Any generational curses are broken when we choose 'life' whether we 'know' it or not. Those who don't know who they are in Christ will continue to live as if cursed...those who do know exactly who they are will walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus.

I suppose people just are unaware of generational effects upon us.

Cancer, sexual abuse, mental abuse, alcoholism, drug dependency, poverty, mental illness, poor self-esteem, criminality, demon oppression, any lack or oppression or disease---these are only a small number of generational effects upon us all. Turning a blind eye to them rather than taking the time and energy required to defeat them spiritually is LAZINESS.

Floatingaxe · May 10, 2009

Child-of-Zion said:
Exactly. What Jesus did at the cross is for us and every demonic stronghold is BROKEN in His name, but it must be appropriated!

Why is the passage of Ephesians 6:10-18 about taking a proactive stance against evil if every evil stronghold is automatically broken for us because of the cross? We still must take the authority given to us. If your commander gives you a sword on the field of battle that can cut through the enemy, but you drop the sword on the ground, how will the enemies be defeated? The power of the enemy broken but we must come into agreement and appropriate the victory over our past, our ancestors, our family. Ephesians 6:10-18 seems redundant if we have no part in coming against Satan and his demons.

Amen! We must appropriate it--just like healing! We must grow up and stop sucking back the pablum we've been fed and start standing on the Word ourselves.

KleinerApfel · May 10, 2009

Floatingaxe said:
I suppose people just are unaware of generational effects upon us.

Cancer, sexual abuse, mental abuse, alcoholism, drug dependency, poverty, mental illness, poor self-esteem, criminality, demon oppression, any lack or oppression or disease---these are only a small number of generational effects upon us all. Turning a blind eye to them rather than taking the time and energy required to defeat them spiritually is LAZINESS.

Generations effects?
OK, I thought we were speaking of generaltional curses?

Those "effects" can be explained by simple biology and psychology.
Such factors as genetic weaknesses, inherited susceptibility, environmental and emotional damage from poor food, housing, family relationships can account for all of those things.

I thought it was being suggested in this thread that there's a spiritual, not merely natural issue, and that we can be cursed even as Christians just because an ancestor sinned - even if we didn't follow their ways, even if we never met them, even if we were brought up by someone other than our natuiral family - simply a law of punishment handed down through the line spiritually?

Maybe I misunderstood the question.

Whatever, I don't think it's fair to label people who think differently as lazy.

KleinerApfel · May 10, 2009

Floatingaxe said:
Amen! We must appropriate it--just like healing! We must grow up and stop sucking back the pablum we've been fed and start standing on the Word ourselves.

Pablum?!
I had to look that up!

I am standing on the word myself anyway - just one page back I posted scriptures that say I do not have my ancestors' sins counted against me.
No curse, therefore no requiremet for renouncing it and repenting of their sin,only of my own.

Jesus didn't teach or use this way of healing, why do people think we should?

gratefulgrace · May 10, 2009

I totally reject the theology that says people are not healed or are poor or have emotional health issues because of spiritual laziness. The word says there is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION to those who are in Christ Jesus.
I know this is a lot of scripture to post but I just couldn't pick out one scripture it is all so good the message is more powerful when we read the whole chapter all together.
When we worry about what WE HAVE TO DO about our condition, apart from being spiritually minded rather than carnally minded with our minds and hearts set on Christ Jesus we bring condemnation onto ourselves and onto others. When we minister to those who are afflicted through any of the things mentioned in the above post, may be point them with love to the Lord Jesus who is the Sovereign Lord. Our circumstances are never to be the measure of all things or our main focus. He is Lord of our circumstances, whether we see the thing we desire or not. If we look first to Him He will direct our steps and show us His will.
Sorry if I seem reactionary FA but I was around early WOF teaching 25 years ago that brought NOTHING but condemnation to the hearers, it did not bring hope or assurance of faith or deliverance. I believe that only knowing and truly believing that God is in control no matter what our eyes tell us will bring us spiritual victory. Too many folks got blamed and condemned when they didn't get the physical healing or recieve the 100 fold return on the offering they were "promted" by teachers to sow in faith. Many had their lives really messed up by it all. Being told you just needmore faith does not help. Faith in my faith? I hope not. Faith in God yes but it all starts and ends with HIM. We don't always know what he has in mind for us.

Rom 8:8So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Rom 8:9But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Rom 8:10And if Christ [is] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin, but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.

Rom 8:11But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Rom 8:12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors--not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.

Rom 8:13For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Rom 8:14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

Rom 8:15For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father."

Rom 8:16The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

Rom 8:17and if children, then heirs--heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with [Him], that we may also be glorified together.

Rom 8:18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Rom 8:19For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.

Rom 8:20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected [it] in hope;

Rom 8:21because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Rom 8:22For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.

Rom 8:23Not only [that], but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.

Rom 8:24For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees?

Rom 8:25But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for [it] with perseverance.

Rom 8:26Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Rom 8:27Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit [is], because He makes intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.

Rom 8:28And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to [His] purpose.

Rom 8:29For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Rom 8:30Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Rom 8:31What then shall we say to these things? If God [is] for us, who [can be] against us?

Rom 8:32He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?

Rom 8:33Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? [It is] God who justifies.

Rom 8:34Who [is] he who condemns? [It is] Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

Rom 8:35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [Shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Rom 8:36As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."

Rom 8:37Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.

Rom 8:38For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,

Rom 8:39nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Floatingaxe · May 10, 2009

The Lord is my banner said:
Generations effects?
OK, I thought we were speaking of generaltional curses?

Those "effects" can be explained by simple biology and psychology.
Such factors as genetic weaknesses, inherited susceptibility, environmental and emotional damage from poor food, housing, family relationships can account for all of those things.

I thought it was being suggested in this thread that there's a spiritual, not merely natural issue, and that we can be cursed even as Christians just because an ancestor sinned - even if we didn't follow their ways, even if we never met them, even if we were brought up by someone other than our natuiral family - simply a law of punishment handed down through the line spiritually?

Maybe I misunderstood the question.

Whatever, I don't think it's fair to label people who think differently as lazy.

Those effects are considered curses. These issues are based on the generational transference of the effects of sin--that's spiritual. That is what we are discussing.

Christians who have been made aware of these very real influences on us are either complacent or lazy or need to be taught again.

HoneyComb Son · May 10, 2009

can someone please post scriptures not links to generational curses..or that doctrine..Ive asked twice..

God bless

Floatingaxe · May 10, 2009

Doctrine?

Once again I present this link:

http://www.sw-mins.org/gen_curses.html

Tenebrae · May 10, 2009

The Lord is my banner said:
Generations effects?
OK, I thought we were speaking of generaltional curses?

Those "effects" can be explained by simple biology and psychology.
Such factors as genetic weaknesses, inherited susceptibility, environmental and emotional damage from poor food, housing, family relationships can account for all of those things.

I thought it was being suggested in this thread that there's a spiritual, not merely natural issue, and that we can be cursed even as Christians just because an ancestor sinned - even if we didn't follow their ways, even if we never met them, even if we were brought up by someone other than our natuiral family - simply a law of punishment handed down through the line spiritually?

Maybe I misunderstood the question.

Whatever, I don't think it's fair to label people who think differently as lazy.

Amen Sue

To properly deal with the impact of a mental illness or a physical disability takes alot more effort than simply following a human constructed formula that has no real documented sucess in curing these things.

Some of the things I was absolutely privilidged to be apart of in my years of working in community mental health. (details have been changed to protect privacy, the actual happenings remain the same

- a woman of 70 years renting her own flat, and for the first time being the lease holder.

- a woman with chronic anxiety who hadnt been on a bus in 20 years, getting on the bus and going grocery shopping. She now shops on her own without needing support.

- an older guy with chronic paranoid schizophrenia who went out and and got himself a library card

- an older man who was a double amputee, who had been living in a resthome. He was in his early 20s. He now has two full prothesis, walks normally and supports himself in his own home

They are all small things in themselves as far as we may think, for these people however they are huge profound steps foward using a much more reliable evidence based treatement.

People are not being punished because of things that their ancestors have done. That would make God a sadistic ogre who toys with the universe for his own amusement and shifts the goalposts because He likes to make things a misery for us.

Not the God of the bible I think.

gratefulgrace · May 11, 2009

Floatingaxe said:
Doctrine?

Once again I present this link:

Breaking Generational Curses

Any New Testament Scripture FA?

HoneyComb Son · May 11, 2009

I took alook at the link.it took a few scriptures from the old testament..that is no doctrine..lol i dont know how they got that..some of what i read..is more of the mind of the write not the word of God..we are under a new conventant..no the old.the new has come the old goes by by..Jesus paid the price for sin.the whole worlds sin..our sin..some other things told me something not right too when i read that..God is light my friend..He is sovereign..He brings good from bad..I dont think he "uses" satan..as it says.that is just plain wrong..

their is tons of proof in the new testament..that proves what Jesus did on the cross..our freedom from the curse of the law..our punishment..sins sicknesses hurts etc.
no longer under curse..FREE yes I know we have to accept truth and approcreate it in life..whatever that word is..but jesus paid the price for sin my friend..our punishment..God wont punish again for what Jesus paid for.tahts even generational sins..we are forgiven healed.set free. from power of sin..

I used to believe in generational curses..but scripture in new testament wasnt lining up..maybe i got it wrong..but scipture isnt..free from curse..look Jesus truimped over satan on the cross..stripped satan of his legal rights or whatever..satan has no power over us..he can only lie..lol Jesus is King...satan is just a lier

I was in a charasmatic church..there alot of good things..nothing against..but i know i been hurt alot by false doctrine..i not sure honestly on it all.but I know..theres something wrong with the teachings of this kind of thing..it just gives satan the chance or another reason to keep people in bondage..it really isnt complex to be free in Christ

God bless

KleinerApfel · May 11, 2009

gratefulgrace said:
I totally reject the theology that says people are not healed or are poor or have emotional health issues because of spiritual laziness. The word says there is therefore now NO CONDEMNATION to those who are in Christ Jesus

When we worry about what WE HAVE TO DO about our condition, apart from being spiritually minded rather than carnally minded with our minds and hearts set on Christ Jesus we bring condemnation onto ourselves and onto others.

Amen!

HoneyComb Son said:
can someone please post scriptures not links to generational curses..or that doctrine..Ive asked twice..

God bless

We can ask until the cows come home, we wont get any posted because it doesnt exist! J

Floatingaxe said:
Once again I present this link:

Breaking Generational Curses

Once again I say those laws in the scriptures from the Pentateuch listed there are no longer in force
God gave a promise of a new covenant and told 2 prophets that His people were not to say that any more.
We are responsible for our own sin and not that of anyone else.
Here again are those scriptures freeing Gods children from all curses relating to ancestral sin -

The Lord is my banner said:
Jeremiah 31
29 In those days people will no longer say, 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge.'

30Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes his own teeth will be set on edge.

Ezekiel 18

1 The word of the LORD came to me:
2 What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel:
'The fathers eat sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge'?

3As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel.

4 For every living soul belongs to me, the father as well as the son both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who will die.

Floatingaxe · May 11, 2009

HoneyComb Son said:
I took alook at the link.it took a few scriptures from the old testament..that is no doctrine..lol i dont know how they got that..some of what i read..is more of the mind of the write not the word of God..we are under a new conventant..no the old.the new has come the old goes by by..Jesus paid the price for sin.the whole worlds sin..our sin..some other things told me something not right too when i read that..God is light my friend..He is sovereign..He brings good from bad..I dont think he "uses" satan..as it says.that is just plain wrong..

their is tons of proof in the new testament..that proves what Jesus did on the cross..our freedom from the curse of the law..our punishment..sins sicknesses hurts etc.
no longer under curse..FREE yes I know we have to accept truth and approcreate it in life..whatever that word is..but jesus paid the price for sin my friend..our punishment..God wont punish again for what Jesus paid for.tahts even generational sins..we are forgiven healed.set free. from power of sin..

I used to believe in generational curses..but scripture in new testament wasnt lining up..maybe i got it wrong..but scipture isnt..free from curse..look Jesus truimped over satan on the cross..stripped satan of his legal rights or whatever..satan has no power over us..he can only lie..lol Jesus is King...satan is just a lier

I was in a charasmatic church..there alot of good things..nothing against..but i know i been hurt alot by false doctrine..i not sure honestly on it all.but I know..theres something wrong with the teachings of this kind of thing..it just gives satan the chance or another reason to keep people in bondage..it really isnt complex to be free in Christ

God bless

There is nothing wrong in the teaching. What's wrong is believing that it teaches that we are not free in Christ. It doesn't teach that! It teaches we must appropriate it! Many (I'd say all) believers, upon salvation, do not appropriate all they have been given--this teaching reveals to us that there are some areas in our lives that still have "graveclothes" wrapped around it, and need removing.

No one who first comes to Christ embraces all He has for them--they must be taught. We become disciples and in so doing, we walk with Jesus Christ in a process of sanctification, shedding our shackles and effects of sin.

gratefulgrace · May 11, 2009

Formerly posted by Floating Axe in reply grapegirl

Originally Posted by GrapeGirl

I gotta agree with B on this one. They have no power over believers.

They most certainly do. many believers have no idea that there is such a thing until they reach a point in the sanctification process where they have the desire for more and more of God, and there seems to be a block there.

Many people who go through the steps to freedom must go through the exploration of generational problems which could be the source of their difficulty.

Todays post by FA

There is nothing wrong in the teaching. What's wrong is believing that it teaches that we are not free in Christ. It doesn't teach that! It teaches we must appropriate it! Many believers on salvation do not appropriate all they have been given--this teaching reveals to us that there are some areas in our lives that still have "graveclothes" wrapped around it, and need removing.

No one who first comes to Christ embraces all He has for them--they must be taught. We become disciples and in so doing, we walk with Jesus Christ in a process of sanctification, shedding our shackles and effects of sin.
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So FA how can you now state that we are free in Christ BUT.....either we are or we aren't. From your earlier post it sounds like you are saying there is a process we must go through to be free. It can't be both ways.

None that opposed the idea of generational curses discount the idea that as young believers we need work through some emotional baggage at times. I did with the issues of Child abuse in my own life. But it was not praying for the sins of my father and breaking a generational curse over myself. That never ever came into it. I realize you truely believe this but please just consider for a moment that according it the scriptural documentation from both OT and NT that others here have shown you are perhaps misguided. gg

Elijah2 · May 11, 2009

I have attended many “healing” seminars, and heard these verses quoted: "Whoever calls on the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved, and in His Name you shall expel demons" (Joel 2:32 & Mark 16:17), and then the people are asked to come to the front if they need healing and liberty.

Once we confess, repent, and forgive; and having turned away from every form of sin, and look upon our Lord Jesus Christ alone (as HE is the deliverer), by submitting to HIM, drawing near to HIM, resisting Satan and his forces, cleansing our hands, and purifying our heart; basing our actions solely on what HE did for us through HIS death on the cross; and we have forgiven every person who has ever harmed or wronged us. Then “healing” will begin in our life.

I've seen people who come to the front for healing and deliverance fall to the floor screaming, sobbing, coughing, shaking, while others gave no outward indication that anything was taking place inside of them.

Most times at least 75% of them, when asked, have indicated that they felt they had received healing and deliverance for what they prayed for. But, the remaining 25% needed further individual ministry.

Many of the 25% had not fulfilled the conditions that are outlined above, as they failed to forgive those who had harmed and wronged them. However, full deliverance may not be immediate, but progressive, as people come to understand the various areas of their lives that have been affected by demonic influence.

Often in the background of some of the 25%, who continue to suffer and don't seem to be able to get that freedom that they desire, as there looms in the background, a dark shadow that appears to be hovering over their life, such as a curse, or a curse from occultic/witchcraft sources, and these people are in desperate need.

After much counselling, we find that these Christians are still practicing masons, or come from a long family line of masons.

~RENEE~ · May 11, 2009

I realize you truely believe this but please just consider for a moment that according it the scriptural documentation from both OT and NT that others here have shown you are perhaps misguided. gg

or some don't understand what a generational curse is and is making it out to be something it is not.

Elijah2 · May 11, 2009

~RENEE~ said:
or some don't understand what a generational curse is and is making it out to be something it is not.

I've seen many set free from such!

~RENEE~ · May 11, 2009

Elijah2 said:
I've seen many set free from such!

I've been st free from a generational curse.

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