Generational Curses.

[Justducky]

I can state-I had a rather "interesting" experience after posting this thread.

All I will say is they are more than likely real.

 

[Elijah2]

I thought this generational thing was settled in Jeremiah and Ezekiel:

29 In those days they shall say no more:
‘ The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge.’
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity; every man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. 31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” (Jeremiah 31)

1 The word of the LORD came to me again, saying, 2 “What do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying:
‘ The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge’?
3 “As I live,” says the Lord GOD, “you shall no longer use this proverb in Israel.
4 “ Behold, all souls are Mine;
The soul of the father
As well as the soul of the son is Mine;
The soul who sins shall die. (Ezekiel 18)
​

We can't blame our relatives for our sinfulness.

~Jim

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.​

Jim,

It has nothing to do with our sinfulness, it has much to do with a curse that is placed upon four generations and even ten generations in regards to sexual sin.

Generational curses are judgments that are passed on to individuals because of sins perpetuated in a family in a number of generations.

The Bible mentions “generational curses” in several places (Exodus 20:5; 34:7; Numbers 14:18; Deuteronomy 5:9).

When “Bible Truth” verses “Church Doctrine”, we say by our doctrine that it’s unfair for our Lord Jesus Christ to punish children for the sins of their fathers.

However, this reasoning or belief is looking at it from an “earthly thing” perspective. Our Lord Jesus Christ knows that sin is passed down from one generation to the next. When a father has a sinful lifestyle, his children are likely to have the same sinful lifestyle as well. That is why it is not unjust for our Lord Jesus Christ to punish sin to the third or fourth generation, because they are committing the same sins their ancestors did. They are being punished for their own sins, not the sins of their ancestors. The Bible specifically tells us that God does not hold children accountable for the sins of their parents (Deuteronomy 24:16).

Another curse that many Christians wave away is that if anyone anywhere in their family ever bowed down to "Ba'al", "Molech" or any pagan god. Masons do this, many “unknowingly”. But that does not release them from this curse, as masonry is “idol worship”, and is a sin.

Idolatry visits the sins of the fathers to the children.

See Exodus 20:4-5: “Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children even unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me”.

Freemasonry is a generational curse, and is also a religion other than Christianity. Masonry’s practices and doctrines are iniquities laced with idolatry, paganism, the occult, Kabala, fertility cults, Satanism, spiritualism, demonology, and put it into a blender and come up with the Masonic religion. It’s not of God! It’s a false religion.

The reason why it’s so difficult to actually make any sense of this topic even though it’s well known in the healing and deliverance ministry, is because many people put it into “circular reasoning” by defining it by their own doctrine, and then interpreting doctrine off their own beliefs and terms.

We all know through apologetics and philosophy that “circular reasoning” is not a good foundation for proving anything. Rather, it should be the terms that are defined by what it meant at the time Scripture was actually written, and then from there, make sense with it theologically.

Blessings!

 

[pinetree]

This is all just a buncha foklore mythology!

It goes against scripture...

As usual,the proponents show no verses,just voo doo chat!

 

[pinetree]

Jim,

It has nothing to do with our sinfulness, it has much to do with a curse that is placed upon four generations and even ten generations in regards to sexual sin.

Generational curses are judgments that are passed on to individuals because of sins perpetuated in a family in a number of generations.

The Bible mentions “generational curses” in several places (Exodus 20:5; 34:7; Numbers 14:18; Deuteronomy 5:9).

When “Bible Truth” verses “Church Doctrine”, we say by our doctrine that it’s unfair for our Lord Jesus Christ to punish children for the sins of their fathers.

However, this reasoning or belief is looking at it from an “earthly thing” perspective. Our Lord Jesus Christ knows that sin is passed down from one generation to the next. When a father has a sinful lifestyle, his children are likely to have the same sinful lifestyle as well. That is why it is not unjust for our Lord Jesus Christ to punish sin to the third or fourth generation, because they are committing the same sins their ancestors did. They are being punished for their own sins, not the sins of their ancestors. The Bible specifically tells us that God does not hold children accountable for the sins of their parents (Deuteronomy 24:16).

Another curse that many Christians wave away is that if anyone anywhere in their family ever bowed down to "Ba'al", "Molech" or any pagan god. Masons do this, many “unknowingly”. But that does not release them from this curse, as masonry is “idol worship”, and is a sin.

Idolatry visits the sins of the fathers to the children.

See Exodus 20:4-5: “Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children even unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me”.

Freemasonry is a generational curse, and is also a religion other than Christianity. Masonry’s practices and doctrines are iniquities laced with idolatry, paganism, the occult, Kabala, fertility cults, Satanism, spiritualism, demonology, and put it into a blender and come up with the Masonic religion. It’s not of God! It’s a false religion.

The reason why it’s so difficult to actually make any sense of this topic even though it’s well known in the healing and deliverance ministry, is because many people put it into “circular reasoning” by defining it by their own doctrine, and then interpreting doctrine off their own beliefs and terms.

We all know through apologetics and philosophy that “circular reasoning” is not a good foundation for proving anything. Rather, it should be the terms that are defined by what it meant at the time Scripture was actually written, and then from there, make sense with it theologically.

Blessings!

Mate..

Sorry..

But this is another "the cross is not enough" post..

You sound like your saying that we are part of the collective pot of sin soup.

Nope..sin,was dealt with at the cross..nailed,finished..done!

Here is the the Christian...


Heb 10:10
And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

No voo doo..just the glorious truths found in scripture..

Stay rooted in the word bro.

Ps..the phrase comes from the very quote Jim put..

Yet you ignore what came after..

That mate.... is the new covenant!

 

[KleinerApfel]

Often in the background of many who continue to suffer and don't seem to be able to get that freedom that they desire, as there looms in the background, a dark shadow that appears to be hovering over their life, such as generations curse or a curse from occult sources, and these people are in desperate need.

Maybe that "dark shadow" of "generational curses" is really the dark shadow of superstitious fear and condemnation that has been taught to us from religious leaders, books, seminars, retreats...?

I understand the need for repentance, forgiving others, for God to heal emotional wounds as we walk with Him...but when someone is perpetually receiving the negative opinion that they're stuck with some issue because there's always just one more thing they have to get right with God over, it paralyses their spiritual life through fear.

I like this...

to be honest..the only reason why i question generational curses and the like..is because of some scriptures.and how we are not like into the Old testament law anymore.but under grace and new conventant...I was in a charamastic vineyard church..there was awesome love there and some great truths.however with the renouncing and generational stuff.I think it was alittle too far.and learned in that it was so

some stuff that I was taught didnt really settle with me and what I saw in scripture..I remember i was always looking to renounce or see about what was holding me back..I believe Jesus blood forgave all stuff.healed all stuff..took all for us..once we are saved and come to Christ..we are forgiven..only problem with generational curses.just seems like its going back to the old testament.we are not ther anymore.we are free in CHrist..i KNow there are stuff we have to deal with..im not sure on that..however..if we spend all our time lookig to find blocks curves hindrinces to what we are missing.or not allowing healing.we are missing out on grace..its lke work to renounce and confess all that stuff.its not right..i know the devil used that against me...always saying this or that on oh you got another block..another thing to renounce and announce....another generational curse to find and confess or whatever..

I know in my heart..something not right about it.the power of Cross did so much.i not know all.but i know forgiveness of sin..healing..freedom..break power of sin etc...we are new creations..new heart.new spirit..we got good heart now..old is gone new come..why Jesus left stuff we have to work out.its already done..past and future..all sins i do tomorrow already paid for..sickness diseases too..but i could be missing something

i know though...too much generational stuff.renouncing announcing something not right in that doctrine..something just reminds me of old testament..we in new testament.

not sure could be wrong.but i know im right somewhere

Yes, I believe you're right HoneyComb Son.
According to some there is always "just one more thing" to uncover from the past. I believed that for so long - years of desperately, desperately trying to untangle myself, and only exacerbating my emotional pain all the more.

I certainly needed to work through forgiveness, but after that, what about all the rest, the generational stuff, the curses, the demons I was supposedly listening to?

I am pretty sure now that it was all fear.
I was desperate and wounded and sought help in church. There I was led to believe they could help me if I went through all that stuff, and I was thus listening to a doctrine of demons - that is where they gained a measure of control over me - I chose to believe a non-scriptural lie, placing myself in deception, fear and condemnation.
Any mental torture from then on was a result of wrong belief and accompanying lack of trust in the cross and the blood of Jesus Christ.

Yes, generational curses will continue to take hold over Christians - but it isn't real, it's a lie - really the enemy takes hold of the error and whispers at us until we think it's a curse from "Grandpa's Masonry", when really it's our fear inviting emotional distress into ourselves.
Any "manifestations" during subsequent ministry might well be due either to natural emotional distress or excitement or to any passing demon seeing an opportunity to jump on the bandwaggon and poke the vulnerable Christian while he/she is being told this pack of lies. Not surprising with so much fear in the air that we might do odd things, is it?

As has been said, there is no biblical support for a Christian being affected spiritually by what their ancestors did at all, absolutely none.

I deeply regret having taken years to start asking myself honestly and boldly to check that out and not listen to religious tradition over it but to God.

 

[Justducky]

This is all just a buncha foklore mythology!

It goes against scripture...

As usual,the proponents show no verses,just voo doo chat!

I have to disagree-there some families where the evil in it is tangible and goes on and on through generations.

For instance my ex-husband's sister married her step father when he mother died. Consequently my ex did not speak to her for 20 years or so. When he started speaking to him again, I had the unfortunate experience of speaking to her. She was (she died two weeks ago) just as manipulative and trouble making as my ex and, sadly, his daughter. It pains my heart to post that about his daughter I have done all I can for her, but she insists on behaving like that.

 

[KleinerApfel]

I have to disagree-there some families where the evil in it is tangible and goes on and on through generations.

For instance my ex-husband's sister married her step father when he mother died. Consequently my ex did not speak to her for 20 years or so. When he started speaking to him again, I had the unfortunate experience of speaking to her. She was (she died two weeks ago) just as manipulative and trouble making as my ex and, sadly, his daughter. It pains my heart to post that about his daughter I have done all I can for her, but she insists on behaving like that.

That's really sad, and similar things happen in so many families.

However, it doesn't tell us anything about curses, it just reminds us that broken, wounded people end up hurting others, and the closer you are to them, the more contact you had, and the younger you were when that began, the worse the damage.

 

[Justducky]

That's really sad, and similar things happen in so many families.

However, it doesn't tell us anything about curses, it just reminds us that broken, wounded people end up hurting others, and the closer you are to them, the more contact you had, and the younger you were when that began, the worse the damage.

Well..what is odd is they act all exactly the same-it's strange. It's like a poison.

 

[KleinerApfel]

Well..what is odd is they act all exactly the same-it's strange. It's like a poison.

Well, her step-father-turned husband has had a great impact on that young woman, and presumably on your ex, being in the same family. Did he raise the two of them with their mother or did he marry her after they were grown?

Families pass on their emotional attitudes and habits, and certain tempermental traits are genetically inherited along with a nice nose or curly hair or green eyes.
Nothing surprising there that I'd think should need a supernatural explanation.
Am I missing something?

 

[Justducky]

Well, her step-father-turned husband has had a great impact on that young woman, and presumably on your ex, being in the same family. Did he raise the two of them with their mother or did he marry her after they were grown?

Families pass on their emotional attitudes and habits, and certain tempermental traits are genetically inherited along with a nice nose or curly hair or green eyes.
Nothing surprising there that I'd think should need a supernatural explanation.
Am I missing something?

Married her after she was grown-not you are not missing anything. Yes, he raised both kids but it was not after she was 30 or so they married.

 

[Tenebrae]

Why I really dont like this teaching, it implies that Jesus death on the cross wasnt enough to set us free

"Jesus died on the cross to save me from the second death, but because my great great gradfather was a mason I have to jump through some more hoops before I can be really free"

And the other problem, is that simply how are we supposed to know every sin that our ancestors comitted?

 

[~RENEE~]

A generational curse is simply an open door where the devil can get a foothold into. A foothold could be in many forms.

How is a generational curse broken?
Just simply the blood of Jesus that shed on the cross. Praise be to God his shed blood applied to a generational curse closed that door. And sets one free from the attacks that Satan could bring against that person as a result.

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[JimB]

Jim,

It has nothing to do with our sinfulness, it has much to do with a curse that is placed upon four generations and even ten generations in regards to sexual sin.

Generational curses are judgments that are passed on to individuals because of sins perpetuated in a family in a number of generations.

The Bible mentions “generational curses” in several places (Exodus 20:5; 34:7; Numbers 14:18; Deuteronomy 5:9).

When “Bible Truth” verses “Church Doctrine”, we say by our doctrine that it’s unfair for our Lord Jesus Christ to punish children for the sins of their fathers.

However, this reasoning or belief is looking at it from an “earthly thing” perspective. Our Lord Jesus Christ knows that sin is passed down from one generation to the next. When a father has a sinful lifestyle, his children are likely to have the same sinful lifestyle as well. That is why it is not unjust for our Lord Jesus Christ to punish sin to the third or fourth generation, because they are committing the same sins their ancestors did. They are being punished for their own sins, not the sins of their ancestors. The Bible specifically tells us that God does not hold children accountable for the sins of their parents (Deuteronomy 24:16).

Another curse that many Christians wave away is that if anyone anywhere in their family ever bowed down to "Ba'al", "Molech" or any pagan god. Masons do this, many “unknowingly”. But that does not release them from this curse, as masonry is “idol worship”, and is a sin.

Idolatry visits the sins of the fathers to the children.

See Exodus 20:4-5: “Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children even unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me”.

Freemasonry is a generational curse, and is also a religion other than Christianity. Masonry’s practices and doctrines are iniquities laced with idolatry, paganism, the occult, Kabala, fertility cults, Satanism, spiritualism, demonology, and put it into a blender and come up with the Masonic religion. It’s not of God! It’s a false religion.

The reason why it’s so difficult to actually make any sense of this topic even though it’s well known in the healing and deliverance ministry, is because many people put it into “circular reasoning” by defining it by their own doctrine, and then interpreting doctrine off their own beliefs and terms.

We all know through apologetics and philosophy that “circular reasoning” is not a good foundation for proving anything. Rather, it should be the terms that are defined by what it meant at the time Scripture was actually written, and then from there, make sense with it theologically.

Blessings!

Where does this stuff come from? Scripture does not teach generational curses. IMO, it is a doctrine of men.

The scriptures you cited from the Law of Moses are not curses; they are warnings. Anyhow, Christ has delivered us from the curse of the law being made a curse for us. What “curses” you imagine Christians having were placed on Christ and if your life is hidden with God in Christ, you are not cursed.

~Jim

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.​

 

[Justducky]

Where does this stuff come from? Scripture does not teach generational curses. IMO, it is a doctrine of men.

The scriptures you cited from the Law of Moses are not curses; they are warnings. Anyhow, Christ has delivered us from the curse of the law being made a curse for us. What “curses” you imagine Christians having were placed on Christ and if your life is hidden with God in Christ, you are not cursed.

~Jim

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.​

So you believe they CAN apply to non-believers?

 

[KleinerApfel]

Where does this stuff come from? Scripture does not teach generational curses. IMO, it is a doctrine of men.

I wonder why the scriptural explanation for this is slow to appear?

The scriptures you cited from the Law of Moses are not curses; they are warnings. Anyhow, Christ has delivered us from the curse of the law being made a curse for us. What “curses” you imagine Christians having were placed on Christ and if your life is hidden with God in Christ, you are not cursed.

Real freedom comes through knowing that wonderful and trustworthy truth.

I spent too long believing weird stuff that now I see is simply tradition.

 

[KleinerApfel]

So you believe they CAN apply to non-believers?

No, Jim said in Christ we are not cursed. How can you misunderstand that?

 

[Justducky]

No, Jim said in Christ we are not cursed. How can you misunderstand that?

I am sorry I am not omniscient like yourself....but for the rest of us mortals clarification is good. I prefer a civil tone when discussing matters not rudeness and sarcastic questions. If you insist on addressing me in that fashion I will simply ignore you.

 

[KleinerApfel]

I'm sorry if that sounded rude, it wasn't meant to, I was simply asking you a question.
Not omniscient at all, I just read what he wrote.

Jim said -
"if your life is hidden with God in Christ, you are not cursed."

 

[KleinerApfel]

Yes, I see now how my post came across as impatient, apologies.

 

[gratefulgrace]

I think the key is in knowing the work of the cross and how powerful that is. It has broken every curese over us the curse of sin. We walk in that freedom not enslaved to fear. We just need to completely trust in the finished work of Christ and in the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth Jhn 16:13

Gal 3:1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.

Gal 3:2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?

Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?

Gal 3:4 Have you suffered so much for nothing-if it really was for nothing?

Gal 3:5 Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?

In other words do we need to do something else to be free? NO we do not WE ARE FREE IN CHRIST. I liked what another poster mentioned about fear. The WORD says FEAR HATH TORMENT> It sure does so we rebuke fear knowing what God has given us. "Not a spirit to fear... but of power"


Originally Posted by excerpts from my blog and latest essay

A generational curse is simply an open door where the devil can get a foothold into. A foothold could be in many forms.
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How is a generational curse broken?
Just simply the blood of Jesus that shed on the cross. Praise be to God his shed blood applied to a generational curse closed that door. And sets one free from the attacks that Satan could bring against that person as a result.



And this is what we did when we received salvation and the baptism of the holy spirit at our rebirth.



Tts 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men.

Tts 2:12It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age,

Tts 2:13while we wait for the blessed hope-the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

Tts 2:14who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
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