Generational Curses.

Elijah2 · May 16, 2009

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Elijah2 · May 16, 2009

KarenJoy said:
I was not judging In fact I said

Sorry KJ, so you are not judging the ministry, and I misread your statement. Blessings.

Floatingaxe · May 23, 2009

The Lord is my banner said:
The women who were healed and set free were healed and set free from a sin perpetrated directly against them, and their children will not be affected in any way by it.

Respectfully, I must say that this is so far from what actually goes on. I know many women who have been set free by their woundedness--but not until they finally came to the right place for that freedom, which many survivors just don't have at their fingertips.

In the meantime, families, and the children in them--suffer. When mom gets her freedom, the children will need it also. There is always more than one victim, and without the healing offered to them by the Holy Spirit, the Rebuilder, the suffering perpetuates from generation to generation.

Even secular professionals agree with this.

gratefulgrace · May 24, 2009

Respectfully, I must say that this is so far from what actually goes on. I know many women who have been set free by their woundedness--but not until they finally came to the right place for that freedom, which many survivors just don't have at their fingertips.

And what place is that I ask? gg

HoneyComb Son · May 24, 2009

this thread is still going on..i still hold by waht the new testament says..we are not under the curse..we are set free from it....you know..Jesus blood covered all our sin..past present and future..we are fogiven..yesterday..today and forever!!..amen

if the blood did that..wouldnt it do that to sickness..sorrows..pains..and wouldnt it cover us and exalty set us free from the curse..as it does say in the new testament..

my problem with alot of this deliverance stuff healing minitiries..is they make it more complex then what the word of God is simply saying..its never made to be this hard..lol

I do believe in healing and deliverance..that is what i was taught.and i was taught generational curses and the like..however..i knew something wasnt right..it just doesnt line up to plain scripture...

I am forgiven.as we all are..Jesus bloos is enough...why would someone in my family in the past generations be held against me..or a curse..thats not really in bible.it doesn't line up

even in the old testament..im no pro..but like God says..in a time..or like He doesnt want or the real Him doesnt count the sin of the fathers against the children..we are under a new coventant.why are we bringing the old into the new?

experience doesnt mean truth... what we see doesnt prove nothing..what does is the word of God...something not right with this stuff

i used to believe in generational curses..satan had a circus with me...there was always a new thing in my past that was holding me up..somethign more that was blocking my healing.

i really think there is something wrong with this doctrine going around about all this renounceing finding blocks etc..generational curses..i read the bible myself..and something not right with what God's word says

that my two cents

Floatingaxe · May 24, 2009

gratefulgrace said:
Respectfully, I must say that this is so far from what actually goes on. I know many women who have been set free by their woundedness--but not until they finally came to the right place for that freedom, which many survivors just don't have at their fingertips.

And what place is that I ask? gg

To an anointed one who counseled them as God has given power to do so. Amazing stuff.

KleinerApfel · May 24, 2009

Great post HoneyComb Son.

Floatingaxe, I maintain that the scenario you are describing is no proof at all of generational curses.

Those women and their families would have suffered exactly the same kind of difficulties if the abuse had happened at the hands of a person unrelated to them.

They need healing, they need to forgive, but generational curses have nothing to do with this.

As HoneyComb Son reminds us - there is no biblical basis for the existence of generational curses on believers.

Cassidy · May 24, 2009

What is a believer?
What makes them a believer?

I think the answer to those questions will tell you why generational curses are NOT for believers.

Strong in Him · May 24, 2009

Elijah2 said:
Have a read of this site: Freemasonry - Breaking Generational Curses

I don't know if you posted this because of what I said about Freemasonry, but I'm not under a generational curse to it. I don't need to break anything, Jesus has already done that.

Elijah2 · May 24, 2009

Strong in Him said:
I don't know if you posted this because of what I said about Freemasonry, but I'm not under a generational curse to it. I don't need to break anything, Jesus has already done that.

Yes, I did post that site a couple of postings back, and I wasn't making any reference to you, because if I did, then I would have made reference to your posting, as I have above.

Interesting, and concerning if you were involved in such things. After all I can only speak from my own personal experiences.

Blessings.

Strong in Him · May 24, 2009

Elijah2 said:
Yes, I did post that site a couple of postings back, and I wasn't making any reference to you, because if I did, then I would have made reference to your posting, as I have above.

Ok.

Elijah2 said:
Interesting, and concerning if you were involved in such things.

I wasn't.
I didn't find out that my grandfather was a freemason until many years after his death, when I was already a Christian. Neither he, nor my mother, ever spoke to me about it and I have never had a desire to find out.
I did hear a talk once on why Freemasonry isn't Christian and why we should be concerned about it, though at that point I did not know of the family connection.

Floatingaxe · May 24, 2009

The Lord is my banner said:
Floatingaxe, I maintain that the scenario you are describing is no proof at all of generational curses.

Those women and their families would have suffered exactly the same kind of difficulties if the abuse had happened at the hands of a person unrelated to them.

They need healing, they need to forgive, but generational curses have nothing to do with this.

As HoneyComb Son reminds us - there is no biblical basis for the existence of generational curses on believers.

The generational effects will still occur, no matter whether the abuser was a family member or not.

KleinerApfel · May 24, 2009

Floatingaxe said:
The generational effects will still occur, no matter whether the abuser was a family member or not.

Huh?

So are you asserting that if a person has an injustice perpetrated on them by any other person at all, their family are going to suffer a generational curse?

Apart from that not being the actual definition of generational curse, some of us are still wondering from where in the bible those of you upholding the theory find any basis for such a thing?

It's an unbliblical idea that cannot be supported by scripture.

Everything you describe is a direct and natural result of emotional wounding causing a person to have relational difficulties, and nothing to do with a curse having fallen upon anyone.

HoneyComb Son · May 24, 2009

I believe in Jesus blood..He has forgiven me forever..the power of the blood has made me holy and spotless in his sight..forever.I am clean..free from the power of sin.and the curse of the law..Satan has no power over me..Satan has no power..Jesus has it all..Satan has been judged..I am redeemed..I am apart of the kingdom of light..not darkness

what I spoke is from the word of God..we are under grace NOT law...im forgiven forever..healed forever..

if God doesnt count my sin against me..and if he as no mind over it..and if God punished all of my sin already on Jesus.w.whats left? Jesus paid he price for the world..all sins for all time..why would the sins of my father which arent my doing be counted on me when Jesus paid he price for sins.for me and the world? if I am forgiven..that means im spotless..holy in his sight..without a fault before the Father..The Father doesnt see the sins of my family or generations on me..He sees me as holy.clean and beloved

free from sin..and the power of it..Satan has no power..Jesus took it away and now has what adam and eve lost..Jesus has all power in heaven and earth..I sure ant listening to demons and their legal claims..because they have none!.only if i believe their lives..even then.they still no power over me..NONE!..why..because they have NONE!!

Floatingaxe · May 24, 2009

Once again--this has nothing to do with our sinfulness or lack of it.

Strong in Him · May 24, 2009

I still think that this is mostly a question of terminology, unless there is a Scripture which says otherwise.

If a man abuses his daughter, unless she can find healing and some way to offer forgiveness, she may grow up to be angry, bitter, blame herself etc. She may refuse to see her father and even "curse" him.
If she later has children, they may well pick up on this toxic relationship between their mother and grandfather. They may come to hate him, without knowing why, because their mother does. Maybe they would grow up being told, "don't go near your grandfather/be in the same room as him/trust him/accept cuddles from him."
That's not a curse. That's a woman who has been badly hurt and let down, deliberately warning her children off in order to try to keep them safe. If she has no evidence that her father has changed, expressed remorse or received punishment or treatment, how does she know that he won't do it again?

Or maybe the children will be told what has happened and fear that their own father will behave in the same way towards them. That's not a curse; the children may think that all men behave in that way towards their daughters - they won't know any different unless told, or shown, otherwise.

We can learn bad attitudes and behavioural patterns from our parents. Even then, there is no guarantee that we will behave in the same way. A child who has an alcoholic for a father may become dependent on drink himself, or he may be completely put off alcohol. A child who is told "you'll never achieve anything", may go along with it and think there is no point in trying, or they may think "stuff that - I'll show you."

It doesn't necessarily mean that someone has decided to place a curse upon the family.

HoneyComb Son · May 24, 2009

then Floatingaxe..with scripture please prove that the curse is still among us these generational curses..if we are free from the curse..how does a curse come against us.and who is behind this curse..Satan has no power over the believer.and Christs work on the cross freed us from the curse..God doesnt send it..He punished our sins on Jesus

HoneyComb Son · May 24, 2009

All i get from the links and the stuff posted before what was stuff before Christ..under the OT..we are under grace..Jesus set aside the old and made the new

Elijah2 · May 24, 2009

Strong in Him said:
Ok.

I wasn't.
I didn't find out that my grandfather was a freemason until many years after his death, when I was already a Christian. Neither he, nor my mother, ever spoke to me about it and I have never had a desire to find out.
I did hear a talk once on why Freemasonry isn't Christian and why we should be concerned about it, though at that point I did not know of the family connection.

Well, there are some terrible blood oaths made, and they do have consequences, and they do go deeper, and I won't go into any detail here.

It's a false religion, and as sad as it is, many Christians are involved with it.

The most important part you know, is where you stand, but I know many who have suffered these consequences unnecessary and those ministries have brought them out of that bondage. Praise our Lord Jesus Christ.

gratefulgrace · May 24, 2009

Floatingaxe said:
To an anointed one who counseled them as God has given power to do so. Amazing stuff.

I mentioned that earlier and it seemed that you did not receive that as valid at the time I posted that suggestion. What has changed? gg

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