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Elijah2

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I am NOT worshipping idols, whatever are you talking about!

I don't understand your view and you don't understand mine, that gives you no right to accuse me of idolatry!

Seriously, where is the love here?

Now I know how right I was to remove myself from people teaching this and offering ministry, it's all about fear and blame and accusation and "if you don't agree with me you're deceived."

Had enough.

My dear sister, here you go again, reading too much into things.

I understand exactly what you said, and because I explain something to you in depth, which isn't a view, you think I am having a go at you.:blush:

WHERE did I SAY you were practicing IDOLATRY? I DIDN'T!

I think you better read it again!

You mean to tell me you don't know any CHristians who are idolatry worshippers?
 
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Don't get upset Sue. E2 tends to tilt demonic windmills.

Deb, keep yourself nice and stop getting personal.

And before you side with someone, it means that you are accusing me of the misinterpretation of what SUE read into a simple explanation.

Now Deb, if you keep this up I will take it further.

So, keep yourself nice, and if you have no knowledge or understanding of these things, which is the case, , then it would pay you to keep your mouth shut, because as HIS Word says that what comes from the mouth comes from the heart!

Thank you for your respect and insight into things that you don't know anything about!

Blessings!:)
 
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There will never be agreement on this subject as there so many conflicting views.

Some Christians have been deeply wounded by this teaching and I believe this happens because hurting individuals are looking for answers and sometimes give false hope by 'ministries' that believe that this kind of prayer alone brings freedom. Often people receive one off prayer ministry and everything is expected to be ok.

But this is not the case and the results of such ministry can cause individuals to lose hope, as I discovered rather painfully last year.

But I am now learning that each of us needs learn encouragement on how to walk God ourselves ie reading God's word and talking to Him ourselves. But I also need to 'belong' to a group of believers for mutal encouragement/support. Then if the Holy Spirit reveals an area of diffculty in our lives which needs to be addressed we receive prayer and ongoing support and encouragement.
 
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Thank you for your respect and insight into things that you don't know anything about!

The Bible is very clear.
lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices. 2Cor 2:11

Brethren, do not be children in your thinking; yet in evil be infants, but in your thinking be mature. 1 Cor 14:20
Translated means we should know the tricks of the devil but not the details of evil and you shouldn't be demanding that others learn - you are going against scripture.

Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil;Rom 14:16
Translated means some of us have experienced a manifestion of the Holy Spirit that has resulted in purifying or comforting us, and scripture instructs not to allow you to call it evil.
 
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The main point to be made, of all the believers I have come across who have done everything possible to removed a “dark shadow” that has been hovering over the family for generations, and they still struggle and flounder in their walk, and the reason why this happens, is that, the anti-generational curse people are in fact still in “idol worshipping” and are in fact the “devil’s advocate”, and they do the work of the enemy.(my underline and italics for emphais gg)

Apart from this part of your previous post E2 you seem we seem to be saying about the same thing. We are free in Christ througoh salvation WE chose freedom in Christ by confessing and renouncing sin and the blood of Christ cleasnes us from ALL sin.


This last bit is extremely confusing and I am not surprised that TLIMB felt upset by it. could you please explain further.

I also appreciate the insight posted by KarenJoy that explains why the curse theology can be harmful to believers if they are not also directed to appropriate further ministry. gg
 
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The main point to be made, of all the believers I have come across who have done everything possible to removed a “dark shadow” that has been hovering over the family for generations, and they still struggle and flounder in their walk, and the reason why this happens, is that, the anti-generational curse people are in fact still in “idol worshipping” and are in fact the “devil’s advocate”, and they do the work of the enemy.(my underline and italics for emphais gg)

Apart from this part of your previous post E2 you seem we seem to be saying about the same thing. We are free in Christ througoh salvation WE chose freedom in Christ by confessing and renouncing sin and the blood of Christ cleasnes us from ALL sin.


This last bit is extremely confusing and I am not surprised that TLIMB felt upset by it. could you please explain further.

I also appreciate the insight posted by KarenJoy that explains why the curse theology can be harmful to believers if they are not also directed to appropriate further ministry. gg

Thank you.

Just to make it clear I do not believe further ministry is the answer we need to learn to read and learn to apply the Truths of God's Word in our lives. And this includes having fellowship with other believers for mutual encouragement and support as we walk with Christ and obey Him.
 
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Thank you.

Just to make it clear I do not believe further ministry is the answer we need to learn to read and learn to apply the Truths of God's Word in our lives. And this includes having fellowship with other believers for mutual encouragement and support as we walk with Christ and obey Him.



What is needed then KarenJoy????
 
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Thank you.

Just to make it clear I do not believe further ministry is the answer we need to learn to read and learn to apply the Truths of God's Word in our lives. And this includes having fellowship with other believers for mutual encouragement and support as we walk with Christ and obey Him.



What is needed then KarenJoy????

We need to learn to walk with God and I believe this happens as we seek God with all of our hearts which includes reading and meditating on God's Word and apply what we learn into our lives. ie
Romans 12:2 says Be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
Also I believe it is important to be part of a fellowship of believers who meet to worship and learn from God's Word together and to encourage one another. And in the difficult times we have others to support and pray for us.
 
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Oh ok Pesonally I think they go hand in hand we have to take responsibility to feed ourselves the Word and stay in fellowship howver often the local body is not equipped to deal with the deeper issues involved so further ministry may be required from Christian therapists or physicians.
 
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The main point to be made, of all the believers I have come across who have done everything possible to removed a “dark shadow” that has been hovering over the family for generations, and they still struggle and flounder in their walk, and the reason why this happens, is that, the anti-generational curse people are in fact still in “idol worshipping” and are in fact the “devil’s advocate”, and they do the work of the enemy.(my underline and italics for emphais gg)

Apart from this part of your previous post E2 you seem we seem to be saying about the same thing. We are free in Christ througoh salvation WE chose freedom in Christ by confessing and renouncing sin and the blood of Christ cleasnes us from ALL sin.


This last bit is extremely confusing and I am not surprised that TLIMB felt upset by it. could you please explain further.

I also appreciate the insight posted by KarenJoy that explains why the curse theology can be harmful to believers if they are not also directed to appropriate further ministry. gg

Idol worshippers are Christians who still practice masonry!

This is a prayer that I have those who are struggling with such a curse.

Heavenly Father, I come to You through our Lord Jesus Christ, I confess to You all of the sins of my ancestors and predecessors on all sides of all of my families, my spouses families back to our families origins; repenting of all of their sins, and in particular, of all of their sins that brought the curse of (name that problem, such as Idol Worship, Sexual Addiction, Masonry, Occultism, etc.) into our family line. I repent of all of those ancestral sins and ask for Your forgiveness for my ancestral families for what they did; also repenting of all their witchcraft or any other acts of evil. I ask for forgiveness for whomever they may have hurt as a consequence of these sins.

I now bind, loose, and break this generation curse off my spouse and myself (and any other saved family members), breaking all ties, bonds, cords and soul-ties with all of those past ancestral sins and any other of their acts of evil. I decree that we are free and this curse is broken, for it is written that in that day you shall decree a thing and it shall come to pass. Your Word says that where there is our Lord Jesus Christ, there is liberty and freedom. Your Word says that He who the Son sets free is indeed free.

I stand on Your Word, Lord Jesus Christ, decreeing this generations curse broken once and for all time and I release the blessing upon (name of person or self), in Jesus' Name.
 
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Hi KJ,

There will never be agreement on this subject as there so many conflicting views.

Some Christians have been deeply wounded by this teaching and I believe this happens because hurting individuals are looking for answers and sometimes give false hope by 'ministries' that believe that this kind of prayer alone brings freedom. Often people receive one off prayer ministry and everything is expected to be ok.
I know exactly the same truth that you have spoken. I've been there myself in the past.

But this is not the case and the results of such ministry can cause individuals to lose hope, as I discovered rather painfully last year.
Yes that is so, and I've seen those cases, and when it comes down to ministering for these curses, you would be amazed what really transpires.

Those people who were hurt, were also looking for a "quick fix", and that doesn't happen. There is a procedure that needs to be taken, and as sad as it is 80% of those who claim the ministry are fradulent.

Many discover the false ministry groups. It's a bit like having a lump on your leg, and because it looks like a boil, and you put a certain ointment onto it to draw the core out of the boil, and it doesn't work because it's not a boil, but a tumour. And the drawing of blood into that area can in fact cause the tumour to become cancerous.

As sad as it is, when the problems of a struggling Christian gets so deep, and you start to pry in their past, you would be amazed at what you find and you can see that these people have been pinning their life on false hope caused by false practices.

Have seen and heard testimonies from many believer who have been set free from all sorts of illnesses just by praying that simple prayer.

But I am now learning that each of us needs learn encouragement on how to walk God ourselves ie reading God's word and talking to Him ourselves. But I also need to 'belong' to a group of believers for mutal encouragement/support. Then if the Holy Spirit reveals an area of diffculty in our lives which needs to be addressed we receive prayer and ongoing support and encouragement.
I've found that you need to help a struggling believer in walking them through all their bruises and hurts that holds them back from their "Freedom in Christ", and to heal their broken-hearts and set themself free from their captivity through their strongmen and stronholds still in their lives.

That is what the healing ministry is all about, and by bringing those people through good sound counselling, through confession, REPENTANCE, and forgiveness, you find that many blossom and mature.

Many say, the confess, repent and forgive, but they never feel forgiven. And on a number occasions when you ask them certain questions you find that in their background are many practices of the powers of darkness, and are still practicing, beliving that they are safe as they have their two feet in two separate camps.

This problem has come about by the complacency of the Body, allowing yoga, martial arts, mysticism, and many other forms of other region practices to come into their church under false names and false hopes. Just by putting "Christian" on those names doesn't make it Christian, because it's still a religion practice of idol worshippers.

Contemplative Prayer and Prayer Soaking are also the greatest offenders for allowing the Kundalini spirit to come into church under a false name.

As I have said to many before, if an orange tree produces oranges, and you change its name to lemon, it will still produce oranges, and that the same for yoga, martial arts, and mysticism.

Blessings.
 
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Oh ok Pesonally I think they go hand in hand we have to take responsibility to feed ourselves the Word and stay in fellowship howver often the local body is not equipped to deal with the deeper issues involved so further ministry may be required from Christian therapists or physicians.

We don't just feed ourselves with His Word, it's the leaders responsibilities to tend and to feed HIS lambs and sheep.

When a body is not equipped to deal with deeper issues then that tells me that your Body isn't working in the Spiritual Gifts of miracles, healings, and discerning of spirits.

When there are deeper issues, then you counsel them to find out if they still have spiritual issues buried in their soul. If it's not spiritual then it might physical or emotional that needs a medical specialits to take it further. And drugs isn't always the answers, but casting out of demons is!

There is no such thing as a Christian therapist or physician, they are trained by secular teachers and have no idea of the cause and affects of the spiritual sides of things. They teach pshycotherapy.
 
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Thank you.

Just to make it clear I do not believe further ministry is the answer we need to learn to read and learn to apply the Truths of God's Word in our lives. And this includes having fellowship with other believers for mutual encouragement and support as we walk with Christ and obey Him.

Karen it's not for you to decide or judge if further ministry is the answer. As you are not aware or in that ministry you have no right to judge.

So please explain to me when you read and read and suppose to learn all the "TRUTHS" of HIS Word, and: your house is still empty, swept, and put in order (Luke 11:24-26); the roaring lion is still devouring you (1 Pet. 5:8); your hands are still NOT cleanses; your hearts are still NOT purified; you are not submitting to our Lord Jesus Christ; you are not resisting Satan and his forces; are still conformed to the world; you are no transforming and renewing you carnal mind and spiritual mind; you are not set free-------then WHAT?

I've seen weak, struggling Chrisians with so much garbage in their life, that it breeds nothing but rats. But, when those rats are disposed of and they are set free from captivity and their broken-hearts are healed then they will will begin to walk in obedience and discipline of HIS Word and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Blessings.
 
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The Bible is very clear.

Translated means we should know the tricks of the devil but not the details of evil and you shouldn't be demanding that others learn - you are going against scripture.


Translated means some of us have experienced a manifestion of the Holy Spirit that has resulted in purifying or comforting us, and scripture instructs not to allow you to call it evil.

Yes, the Bible is ver clear about what happens to a believer or a Christian what happens if you leave your house empty, swept, and put in order.

Well, my dear sister, if I am going against Scripture then so has the thousands and thousands of good men and women of our Lord Jesus Christ, such as Derek Prince, Francis MacNutt, Kurt Kock, Neil Anderson, Peter Horroban, and the many unknows of the healing and deliverance ministry.

You will only know the "wiles of the enemy" if you are shown them by the more mature disciple of our Lord Jesus Christ.

HE came to heal the broken-hearted, deliver them from evil, set the captive free, heal their sickness; and cast out demons, and that is exactly what the healing ministry does

We will only submit to our Lord Jesus Chris fully when we cleanse our hands and purify our hands by filling our house with HIM and His Word and walking in obedience and discipline.

Nobody is calling the healing ministry evil!
 
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Elijah, in your last few posts you have described healing and deliverance for a believer who needs to repent of their own sin and forgive people who have directly hurt them.

I agree with that part, I'm sure we all would, but I what I don't understand is why anyone would repent over someone else's sin in exactly the same way as if it were their own. There is no logic to that and no scriptural reason to.

As for you telling Karen not to judge on this issue - why not? Isn't that what you are doing?

You often share wisdom and truth, but you do get rather cranky when anyone disagrees with you, I do wish you wouldn't!
 
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Elijah, in your last few posts you have described healing and deliverance for a believer who needs to repent of their own sin and forgive people who have directly hurt them.

I agree with that part, I'm sure we all would, but I what I don't understand is why anyone would repent over someone else's sin in exactly the same way as if it were their own. There is no logic to that and no scriptural reason to.

As for you telling Karen not to judge on this issue - why not? Isn't that what you are doing?

You often share wisdom and truth, but you do get rather cranky when anyone disagrees with you, I do wish you wouldn't!

My dear sister, I am NOT getting cranky with anyone for any disagreement.

I am talking from personal experience, and when people have prayed that prayer they have had immediate release. The BIBLE is silent on many things, my dear sister, but the enemy is who he is and has many clutches in many believers life unkowingly and knowingly.

Blessings.
 
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I was not judging In fact I said
I have a few friends who are used in this kind of ministry and I trust them. So if one of them said the Holy Spirit had specifically shown them that anything was affecting me I would let them pray for me. But I am not going to be introspective and start blaming this for lack of healing etc.
 
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