generational curses

[discernomatic]

Agree with you OreGal. I think that being Christian, having a close relationship with God, does not automatically mean that we are healed of all diseases. There are those that insist that if a Christian live the perfect life that he will never be sick, injured, what have you. This puts pressure on Christians to "live the perfect life" and those that get sick can be accused of not following God as they should. I have seen this type of behavior with my own eyes. They may even be ostracized. I have serious doubts that beliefs like that would be correct. In the extreme it would lead to much unloving behavior that is not Christlike. This type of belief leads to bondage, not freedom in Jesus Christ.

 

[lismore]

I don't know if these scriptures apply here. Although those that wanted his crucifixion said that, he forgave them while still on the cross, because they did not know what they were doing. If God forgives others when we forgive them how much more will he hear when Jesus forgives.

He more than once lamented over Jerusalem. Being God he knew what would happen to them in 70AD.

I do not think that there is a direct connection between their words and the attack of the Romans, since they were forgiven those words and actions. Either the attack of the Romans was already unstoppable, or it was caused by other unrelated events.

Jesus forgave them from the cross, but they did not want or receive this forgiveness, so their self imposed words spoken on themselves stood.

Actually, the Roman Empire was in poor shape at this point. Galba, Otho and Vitellus had fought damaging civil wars to become emperor, now Vepasian held that title. The Jewish revolt had showed up the poor state of the Roman Army: the rebels all but wiped out the Roman 12th (fulminata) Legion and there were widespread defections of Christians from the Roman Army of Titus to the Rebels.

But there clearly was something supernatural behind the Roman effort in the seige at Jerusalem. If you look into it perhaps you will see what I mean. The Jews, more numerous, more dedicated, even with more expertise via the deserters, suffered an unbroken series of defeats, doubts, disunity and despair.

Therefore I humbly submit that this example stands as a scriptural New testament example of a 'generational curse'.

 

[Asaph]

Agree with you OreGal. I think that being Christian, having a close relationship with God, does not automatically mean that we are healed of all diseases. There are those that insist that if a Christian live the perfect life that he will never be sick, injured, what have you. This puts pressure on Christians to "live the perfect life" and those that get sick can be accused of not following God as they should. I have seen this type of behavior with my own eyes. They may even be ostracized. I have serious doubts that beliefs like that would be correct. In the extreme it would lead to much unloving behavior that is not Christlike. This type of belief leads to bondage, not freedom in Jesus Christ.

I agree. Legalisim always leads to bondage, and feeds and strengthens the flesh. Then when the self-aquired "holiness" fails, the only thing left to blame is the devil, and pretty soon you have un-biblical doctrines that have elevated a defeated enemy to a place of strength and constant focus. In effect, worshiping the enemy instead of the Lord that created and saved us.

From that simple thing, the bondage of legalisim, comes these demon doctrines.

Asaph

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

I just cannot understand why some think that some sins are not forgiven when we give our lives to Christ. I know I believed this generational curse thing for some time, but looking back, I know that I wasn't a true Christian at that time. Since giving my life over to Christ, I know that all my sins have been taken and I certainly don't need any hocus-pocus voodoo magic to clean up the sins of my ancestors.

And, I agree, the sickness thing is another thread for another time but there is another misleading teaching that has kept many from Christ. Personally, I know that for those who love Him, they WILL be healed. Some of our afflictions are healed here on earth and some will be healed when we meet Him face to face. I think God is a little less concerned with our illnesses themselves and more interested in what we do with our illnesses.

 

[AshenK]

I just cannot understand why some think that some sins are not forgiven when we give our lives to Christ.

If all your sins are forgiven, then there is no generational curse.

I certainly don't need any hocus-pocus voodoo magic to clean up the sins of my ancestors.

This clearly shows you never correctly understood the generational curse. Avoid comments like these.

I think God is a little less concerned with our illnesses themselves and more interested in what we do with our illnesses.

3Jo 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
Now, seems to me that being healthy is pretty important. We're not supposed to be a sick people minstering to a sick world.

 

[Asaph]

If all your sins are forgiven, then there is no generational curse.

I agree. There is no such thing for a Christian.

Asaph

 

[AshenK]

I agree. There is no such thing for a Christian.

Asaph

You have to confess with your mouth, so you can believe. Now, you're a Christian. (Romans 10:9)

However, simply because you believe in Jesus and are a Christian, doesn't mean the generational curse is gone. You have to confess it, and ask for forgiveness, then the generational curse will leave you.
(1John 1:9)

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

However, simply because you believe in Jesus and are a Christian, doesn't mean the generational curse is gone. You have to confess it, and ask for forgiveness, then the generational curse will leave you.
(1John 1:9)

And, where in the Bible do you find that? All the verses I read tell me I am totally and completely 100% forgiven.

Just pulling one verse out:

2 Corinthians 5
17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

To believe anything else would be extraBiblical and not of God.

Y'know interesting note that somebody pointed out on another thread, for those who love to quote only Exodus 20:5 and conveniently leave out verse 6

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

What an awesome thing to realize that we can ALL go back and know that within a thousand generations, we had somebody who loved the Lord (Noah).

Don't get sucked into the generational sin trap if you're a Christian. It's not from God but it can sure keep people from God. Hmmm...wonder where it came from then...

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

by the way, as far as 1John 1:9, where in the world do you pull out we need to ask forgiveness for our anscestor's sins.

9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

You may notice the emphasis I added to the word "our" and "all" Unless I missed the book of 'AshenK' in my Bible, I don't see anything backing up the generational sin and Christian thing.

generational sins = bad teachings

 

[holo]

If my mum did something wrong, I have to ask forgiveness?!

 

[Asaph]

If my mum did something wrong, I have to ask forgiveness?!

Only if you don't know Jesus my friend, only if you don't know Jesus.

No worries.

Asaph

 

[AshenK]

And, where in the Bible do you find that? All the verses I read tell me I am totally and completely 100% forgiven.

If you confess your sins, He will forgive you and deliver you.
Simply being saved won't deliver you, since you can get saved without repenting of all your sins (salvation is believing). You must confess your sins and receive the forgiveness He has for you, then you will be delivered indeed from whatever it is you confessed, and generational curse, hate, envy, etc. is included. (1John 1:9) (Romans 10:9)

 

[Asaph]

If you confess your sins, He will forgive you and deliver you.
Simply being saved won't deliver you, since you can get saved without repenting of all your sins (salvation is believing). You must confess your sins and receive the forgiveness He has for you, then you will be delivered indeed from whatever it is you confessed, and generational curse, hate, envy, etc. is included. (1John 1:9) (Romans 10:9)

Ah! That explains so much. You think you saved yourself!

The devils stopped beating you when you accepted their doctrine and now you think your salvation has come from what you have done.

I get it.

You don't need to say even one more thing. I understand completely.

1 Tim 4:1
4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
NKJV


Asaph

 

[AshenK]

Ah! That explains so much. You think you saved yourself!

The devils stopped beating you when you accepted their doctrine and now you think your salvation has come from what you have done.

When did I say this? I said salvation comes through believing, and you change what you believe with what you say, that's why it's necessary to confess with your mouth.

I don't believe in works, if that's what you're insinuating. It's nothing you do, aside from receiving it.

 

[Asaph]

Ah! That explains so much. You think you saved yourself!

The devils stopped beating you when you accepted their doctrine and now you think your salvation has come from what you have done.

I get it.

You don't need to say even one more thing. I understand completely.

1 Tim 4:1
4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
NKJV


Asaph

What I said.

Asaph

 

[AshenK]

What I said.

Asaph

Pretty pointless. We both think we're right.
But we agree once sins are forgiven, there is no generational curse.

 

[Asaph]

Pretty pointless. We both think we're right.
But we agree once sins are forgiven, there is no generational curse.

Not pointless at all. It is entirely to the point.

Your position has been that you yourself determine your own forgiveness.

My position is that you are not forgiven at all if you hold that position.

Asaph

 

[AshenK]

Your position has been that you yourself determine your own forgiveness.
Asaph

Quote me exactly, where I said I determine my own forgiveness, then explain what you think I meant.

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

Asaph, I have to agree with you here. This guy believes he is saved thru works and not thru grace.

I understand though. I used to believe the same things as well but was delivered of that way of thinking.

For anybody reading this thread, once you come to know and accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, you are saved. You are not cursed. All your past sins are forgiven (if you believe the Bible). Praise God for that.

One thing to note, when I finally let go of the 'generational sin' thing and a few other non-Biblical burdens I had been carrying, all my guilt in regard to the past slipped away. I just had to let God know that His forgiveness was more than enough for me.

 

[lismore]

Asaph, I have to agree with you here. This guy believes he is saved thru works and not thru grace.

I understand though. I used to believe the same things as well but was delivered of that way of thinking.

For anybody reading this thread, once you come to know and accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, you are saved. You are not cursed. All your past sins are forgiven (if you believe the Bible). Praise God for that.

One thing to note, when I finally let go of the 'generational sin' thing and a few other non-Biblical burdens I had been carrying, all my guilt in regard to the past slipped away. I just had to let God know that His forgiveness was more than enough for me.

Hi there

The problem with some 'generational Curses' views is that, In Christ you could repent of and break things from the past. However for some people this doesnt seem to meet the requirements . you got to keep repenting over and over, going to more meetings and getting more books with no end in sight.

I know someone who has been 20 years breaking a spirit and its still 'there'.