generational curses

[holo]

Jesus bought us free from the curse.

We don't need to fear the curses set forth in Exodus.

 

[Asaph]

Exodus 20:5 clearly explains generational curses. I've given you Scriptures for everything else. So, do you have do you have Scriptures that say demons aren't allowed to torture Christians because it glories the demon and denies the cross?

You have provided absolutely nothing but scriptures pulled out of context and out of time. Except of course you have provided what the demons themselves taught you.

OrGal provided Exodus 20:6 and you either ignored it or missed it.

Ex 20:5-6
5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
NKJV

I provided this scripture some time back, but of course you ignored it too.

Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
NKJV

If a person is born again it is impossible for them to be cursed. If they are cursed, then they need to repent and believe on the only begotten Son of God, Jesus the Messiah.

Asaph

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

and where's Scripture for this statement? =)

Try reading the New Testament.

Also, if that is a bit much, reread Exodus 20:5-6

I know when I was delivered from this way of thinking, it was as if God was shining a huge spotlight on my Bible and saying, "Nope, this is not from Me." I truly believe with every ounce of my being that this way of thinking is meant to keep folks in bondage.

edited to add: just read Asaph's post and would like to add...

 

[wingcross]

I dun agree with generation curse myself. Coz it'll affect everyone here, if they do exists.

There is no more curse when we become christian right ?
If there is still curse, has Jesus blood not enough to cleanse us ? Do we need another Son to be crucified ? How many Sn do we need to cleanse us from this curses ?

Yes, we seen many things been passed down, no doubt. Something that my father did, then it was passed down to the next generation, thats is what i heard from my Pastor. Thats his family. Well he wont lied right ? But he doesnt post any scriptures that day if i am not mistaken.

But that doesnt mean whatever bad things happen to us are from the previous generation or will be passed down.

Lots of scriptures has been posted in this forum. I dun have to post any. Recently I think or believe i am under bondage by something sinister. I am still trying to break away from it. I dun see this from my father nor my mother. It on me.

Just got some extra strength to voice up something. I apologize if my comments are abit harsh.

 

[Daily Miracle]

Generational curse? I've been calling it Monkey-See-Monkey-Do Syndrome.

I think this is why we are allowed to practice judgement to a certain degree. When we tolerate backsliding in our families, it invites trouble. Look at Eli and his sons or Lot and his daughters.

I think about this scripture a lot:

Mat 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat 7:16
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Mat 7:17
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Mat 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Mat 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

There's a lot of wisdom in how we can bear good or bad fruit. Our tolerance to sin may allow someone to become bad fruit. I don't think there's a curse on any family, but I think there are a lot of families that have tolerated sins for so long, the sins have become commonplace within that family.

 

[Asaph]

Yup. I say we take all those sinners and we flog them with a cat-o-nine tails. If that doesn't work, I say we put them on the rack! We strech them limb from limb until they either voluntarily quit sinning, or we will make them physically incapable of sinning. BBwwwwwwwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

How worldly.

Asaph

 

[holo]

Yup. I say we take all those sinners and we flog them with a cat-o-nine tails. If that doesn't work, I say we put them on the rack! We strech them limb from limb until they either voluntarily quit sinning, or we will make them physically incapable of sinning. BBwwwwwwwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

How worldly.

Asaph

What are you, catholic?

 

[wingcross]

he definitily not...

 

[lismore]

Hi

Below is an example of a masonic oath: if you take this you WILL be bringing cursing on yourself, no matters how many Christian cliches you know and you may even bring the same on your descendants/dependants.





MASTER MASON


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<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt">I….in the presence of the most high, and of this worthy and worshipful lodge of master masons, duly constituted, regularly assembled, and properly dedicated, of my own free will and accord, do hereby (Worshipful Master touches candidate’s hands with his left hand) and hereon (Worshipful Master touches The Bible with his left hand) most solemnly promise and swear that I will always hele, conceal, and never reveal any or either of the secrets or mysteries of or belonging to the degree of a Master Mason to anyone in the world…….

 

[lismore]

Hi

Below is an example of a masonic oath: if you take this you WILL be bringing cursing on yourself, no matters how many Christian cliches you know and you may even bring the same on your descendants/dependants.





MASTER MASON


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<FONT size=2>I<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 20pt">All these points I solemnly swear to observe, without evasion, equivocation, or mental reservation of any kind, under no less a penalty, on the violation of any of them, than that of being severed in two, my bowels burned to ashes, and those ashes scattered over the face of the earth and wafted by the four cardinal winds of heaven, that no trace or remembrance of so vile a wretch may no longer be found among men, particularly master masons so help me the most high, and keep me steadfast in this my solemn obligation of a master mason.

 

[lismore]

Here is an example of the curses masonry can bring ginto your life if you subscribe to the oaths:


Fruit of Masonic Curses


1. The man's wife becoming increasingly lonely and angry as the husband is apparently continually 'out with the boys'.
2. The wife and children open to spiritual attack, and nightmares.
3. The wife can have feelings of insecurity and creepiness while her husband is at the Lodge meeting.
4. Alienation within the family.
5. Children disobedient and hard to control.
6. Restlessness, mental confusion.
7. Financial problems.
8. Covert sexual deviancy and frigidity.
9. Mistrust and lack of compassion.
10. Physical ailments especially in the three main areas connected to the Masonic oaths, which open a man and his family up to demonic influence i.e. Throat cutting - pulmonary area; chest ripping - cardio-vascular area; stomach slitting - bowels and related organs.

from: http://www.caterpillar.org.uk/warning/fmasonry2.htm

Some of the oaths specifically mention passing the curses down the generations.

P>S Pretending dogs dont exist is fine as long they bite someone else. When they bite you then its no use pretending.

Lismore

 

[lismore]

You are the one who claimed that generational curses were fact based entirely upon the experience you have of demon manifestations. The burden is upon you to make a solid biblical case for a doctrine you are espousing with nothing but the demonic as a basis so far.

I've thus far been reluctant to bring up this scripture, but unless you can make a scriptural case it seems applicable.

1 Tim 4:1
4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
NKJV


Asaph

Hi Asaph

I have been reluctant to bring this up but here is goes; The reason Soloman was a sexual deviant was because he was the child of an adulterous relationship between David and Bathsheba. The first child of David and bathsheba was killed by God in punishment: if this is not a 'curse' coming down the generations I dont know what is.

22 He answered, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, 'Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.' 23 But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."

Now to those of us who believe the bible now consists of the new testament only: remember Jesus quoted from the Old testament and that scores of prophecies from the old testament are yet to be fulfilled, besdies everyone takes what they like from the law. You might not take curses, but you take sabbath days, tithes and anti homosexuality.

 

[Asaph]

Hi Asaph

I have been reluctant to bring this up but here is goes; The reason Soloman was a sexual deviant was because he was the child of an adulterous relationship between David and Bathsheba. The first child of David and bathsheba was killed by God in punishment: if this is not a 'curse' coming down the generations I dont know what is.

22 He answered, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, 'Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.' 23 But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."

Now to those of us who believe the bible now consists of the new testament only: remember Jesus quoted from the Old testament and that scores of prophecies from the old testament are yet to be fulfilled, besdies everyone takes what they like from the law. You might not take curses, but you take sabbath days, tithes and anti homosexuality.

Well, that is a poor arguement Lismore. Curses are specifically mentioned as no more for the believer and I provided the NT scriptures to point it out.

Not one person on the planet will ever be saved merely because their dad was saved, and likewise, no more will anyone be cursed because their dad was cursed. The only way a person could have a generational curse is if they are not saved in the first place.

The death and resurrection of Jesus was clearly efficatious for some things beyond the completion of the law. (or more accurately, because of the completion).

The odd thing is that the word used for "fulfilled" when speaking of the law is actually best understood in terms of bricklaying.

Asaph

 

[lismore]

Well, that is a poor arguement Lismore. Curses are specifically mentioned as no more for the believer and I provided the NT scriptures to point it out.

Not one person on the planet will ever be saved merely because their dad was saved, and likewise, no more will anyone be cursed because their dad was cursed. The only way a person could have a generational curse is if they are not saved in the first place.

The death and resurrection of Jesus was clearly efficatious for some things beyond the completion of the law. (or more accurately, because of the completion).

The odd thing is that the word used for "fulfilled" when speaking of the law is actually best understood in terms of bricklaying.

Asaph

Hi there Asaph, thats true, thanks

But one thing, say from your parents you inherit black hair, or £500, or 50 boxes of masonic regalia, or bad eyes, or the hereditary life consulship of the Buggleskelly White Witch society. Now, im not saying this is a 'generational curse' to quote the handbook, but there does seem to be areas where the influence of bad things are attempted to be handed down.

Take the masons for example. Why do so many of their descendants have the problems associated with the oath?

Yes you cant inherit salvation, yes you cant inherit damnation, but you can inherit spiritual bad influences.

Now when a believer says the sinners prayer does this automatically and immediatly remove every bad influence from their lives? No. You meet believers who are disabled, who wear glassess and who are head-nippers.

Such things as masonic influence can be removed in Jesus name. But its like I always say. First thing you have to FACE the problem. If you ignore it, go into denial with carnival atmosphere Christianity, the demonic will love this and will cuddle you until the Lord comes back.

Lismore

 

[lismore]

I think it's a poor use of scriptures out of context, and out of time. Jesus was not yet risen from the dead when He healed the woman.

Gal 3:11-14
11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith." 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them." 13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
NKJV

Asaph

Absolutely.

Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law, from sickness, death, arguments, poverty, wealth etc.

But, why are there Christians who are sick? The sinners prayer is not a complete package deal. Its the first step on a journey with Jesus. The channel has been opened, but its now everyday walking with Jesus.

 

[Asaph]

Hi there Asaph, thats true, thanks

But one thing, say from your parents you inherit black hair, or £500, or 50 boxes of masonic regalia, or bad eyes, or the hereditary life consulship of the Buggleskelly White Witch society. Now, im not saying this is a 'generational curse' to quote the handbook, but there does seem to be areas where the influence of bad things are attempted to be handed down.

Take the masons for example. Why do so many of their descendants have the problems associated with the oath?

Yes you cant inherit salvation, yes you cant inherit damnation, but you can inherit spiritual bad influences.

Now when a believer says the sinners prayer does this automatically and immediatly remove every bad influence from their lives? No. You meet believers who are disabled, who wear glassess and who are head-nippers.

Such things as masonic influence can be removed in Jesus name. But its like I always say. First thing you have to FACE the problem. If you ignore it, go into denial with carnival atmosphere Christianity, the demonic will love this and will cuddle you until the Lord comes back.

Lismore

I agree totally with the "influence" thing Lismore, but I myself am proof that God is bigger. I was a morman when I got saved and God cut right through all that demonic stuff and saved me in spite of it.

Be greatly blessed today,
Asaph

 

[lismore]

I agree totally with the "influence" thing Lismore, but I myself am proof that God is bigger. I was a morman when I got saved and God cut right through all that demonic stuff and saved me in spite of it.

Be greatly blessed today,
Asaph

Hi Asaph

Thats exactly what Im speaking about. Getting rid of the demonic stuff in Jesus name.

First you have to know that the stuff is demonic and needs getting rid of.

The whole 'generation curses' thing is a bit of a mouthfull, made harder by the fact that the bible uses several different words translated as curse. Anathema: divine displeasure e.g from your Galations quote and Skatatares: 'I curse you' are two if memory serves me correctly, the hebrew is even slightly different.

For example:

Matthew 27:25 NIV
All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!"

Luke 23:28 NIV

Jesus turned and said to them, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children.


This self imposed curse came to place in 70AD. All these peoples children and grandchildren, even great grand children were killed by the Romans.

So cut these things off in Jesus name

 

[discernomatic]

Matthew 27:25 NIV
All the people answered, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!"

Luke 23:28 NIV

Jesus turned and said to them, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children.

This self imposed curse came to place in 70AD. All these peoples children and grandchildren, even great grand children were killed by the Romans.

I don't know if these scriptures apply here. Although those that wanted his crucifixion said that, he forgave them while still on the cross, because they did not know what they were doing. If God forgives others when we forgive them how much more will he hear when Jesus forgives.

He more than once lamented over Jerusalem. Being God he knew what would happen to them in 70AD.

I do not think that there is a direct connection between their words and the attack of the Romans, since they were forgiven those words and actions. Either the attack of the Romans was already unstoppable, or it was caused by other unrelated events.

 

[AshenK]

Absolutely.

Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law, from sickness, death, arguments, poverty, wealth etc.

But, why are there Christians who are sick? The sinners prayer is not a complete package deal. Its the first step on a journey with Jesus. The channel has been opened, but its now everyday walking with Jesus.

Whew, bingo.

You have to receieve all these other things as you have received salvation, people just get confused thinking it's the will of God for them to be sick.

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

Whew, bingo.

You have to receieve all these other things as you have received salvation, people just get confused thinking it's the will of God for them to be sick.

why would anybody compare being ill with becoming cleansed of our sins and forgiven.

apples and oranges

God loves me and has told me through His Word that I am blessed and, should my children carry on that love, they will be blessed as well. The idea of generational curses being placed on the children of God is an evil one, pure and simple.