generational curses

[Syrup6]

Hmm, my mom and I have talked about this, and I did have her "generational curse" because she taught me something was right, when it was wrong... so, I learned from her that this sin was how people lived life, so naturally, I did the same. However, in being born again from Christ I am freed from those chains. Does that make sense?

 

[Asaph]

Oh and one further thing, there are plenty of people who want to hear God for you and tell you your solution. I have been diagnosed with generational curses for going on holidays to certain places, for talking too much or not enough and for putting too much ketchup on french fries (familiar spirit of lust brought by alcoholism from grandad).

God can speak through another believer, but he also wants to speak to you.

Now there are those who experience terrible spiritual problems, like a believer I know who cries real bad because he commits a sin over which he has no control to stop. Its like something else takes over him for a while. I heard a speaker once, a Chinese Lady, she didnt have the yearbook terminology, but she had a ministry of praying for Christians in a similar position who were opressed by something oppressive which was lifted through intercession and prayer for the person. Now this is a genuine spiritual issue. David and bathsheba's child through adultery died and their second was a sexual pervert. maybe a pattern there.

I hope someone can see my reasoning behind all these ramblings

This is interesting Lismore. Mostly because you touched on that which I believe is mistaken for something people call a "generational curse" when really it is nothing but a weakness in the flesh a certain person may have that the devil tries desperately to exploit. Your keyword was "oppressed". That's not a generational curse, it's the devil taking advantage anywhere and everywhere he can.

No worries, all one needs to see in that case is their identity in Christ.

Asaph

 

[AshenK]

This is interesting Lismore. Mostly because you touched on that which I believe is mistaken for something people call a "generational curse" when really it is nothing but a weakness in the flesh a certain person may have that the devil tries desperately to exploit. Your keyword was "oppressed". That's not a generational curse, it's the devil taking advantage anywhere and everywhere he can.

No worries, all one needs to see in that case is their identity in Christ.

Asaph

I know generational curses are real. My father used to go to seances when was young, and he would have demons materialize in front of him. People would stab their arm completely through with knives, and pull it back out as their was no blood or scar or any sign of their arm being stabbed. Later he became saved and a pastor, then I was born.

Growing up I would frequently materialize demons in front of me as my father did. I would be confused not knowing what was happening. No one had to tell me how to do it, I just knew exactly what to do. Years later I told my father what was happening, with wide eyes he looked me and said, "Who told you how to do that?" I just looked at him, "No one had to tell me how to do it."

That is a bit more than the flesh, my friend. My father opened a gateway for demons to torture him, and because of that, they tortured me as well through generational curse. Were the 30-35 years that my father pastored Baptist churches a miserable failure because it was God's will to make him stronger? No. Was it because he was in the flesh? No. It was because he opened the door to demon's, through being molested, seances, and other things.

When he left the ministry, because it was killing our family, he would sit in a dark theature all day depressed and crying, because of his failure, and the dark environment would appeal to him. He would go out in his pickup and just cry with fear and depression. He was on the verge of suicide, and he started drinking secretly so he wouldn't kill himself, and could forget his problems. (Yeah, just the flesh right?)

However, he was invited to a Bible Study about deliverance, demons, and such, and that put hope in his heart again, since he had never heard the doctrine with 'ears to hear'. Then the whole family went and saw a deliverance minister, Don Dickerman, who really saved his life, and ours, though the annointing he had to cast out demons, and heal.

Today our family thrives, we hold a weekly Bible Study about faith-word-heart, and he's about to go back into the ministry (not as a Baptist, nor as anything). I'm so glad God delivered our family from the enemy in the knick of time, before we were devoured. So glad. Isn't God great?

That's alot more than just the flesh. It wasn't God's will for us to go through that. Demons were trying to kill us for the Word's sake (Mark 4:17). There is alot more, that I didn't talk about in this post, that went on that was purely demonic. I meant to just tell of my experience with demons and generational curses in my family, but I guess I went on a bit.

I hope you can all now see that demons are real, and their tortures are real, and generational curses are also real. Ephesians 4:27 goes right along with Exodus 20:5

 

[lismore]

I know generational curses are real.

Hi AshenK

thanks for your testimony.

There are times when this is real, there are other times when Christians minister on this in error.

I think the most important part is the word from the Lord expaining what is happening in the particular case.

 

[lismore]

Hmm, my mom and I have talked about this, and I did have her "generational curse" because she taught me something was right, when it was wrong... so, I learned from her that this sin was how people lived life, so naturally, I did the same. However, in being born again from Christ I am freed from those chains. Does that make sense?

Yes syrup, thanks

 

[Asaph]

I know generational curses are real. My father used to go to seances when was young, and he would have demons materialize in front of him. People would stab their arm completely through with knives, and pull it back out as their was no blood or scar or any sign of their arm being stabbed. Later he became saved and a pastor, then I was born.

Growing up I would frequently materialize demons in front of me as my father did. I would be confused not knowing what was happening. No one had to tell me how to do it, I just knew exactly what to do. Years later I told my father what was happening, with wide eyes he looked me and said, "Who told you how to do that?" I just looked at him, "No one had to tell me how to do it."

That is a bit more than the flesh, my friend. My father opened a gateway for demons to torture him, and because of that, they tortured me as well through generational curse. Were the 30-35 years that my father pastored Baptist churches a miserable failure because it was God's will to make him stronger? No. Was it because he was in the flesh? No. It was because he opened the door to demon's, through being molested, seances, and other things.

When he left the ministry, because it was killing our family, he would sit in a dark theature all day depressed and crying, because of his failure, and the dark environment would appeal to him. He would go out in his pickup and just cry with fear and depression. He was on the verge of suicide, and he started drinking secretly so he wouldn't kill himself, and could forget his problems. (Yeah, just the flesh right?)

However, he was invited to a Bible Study about deliverance, demons, and such, and that put hope in his heart again, since he had never heard the doctrine with 'ears to hear'. Then the whole family went and saw a deliverance minister, Don Dickerman, who really saved his life, and ours, though the annointing he had to cast out demons, and heal.

Today our family thrives, we hold a weekly Bible Study about faith-word-heart, and he's about to go back into the ministry (not as a Baptist, nor as anything). I'm so glad God delivered our family from the enemy in the knick of time, before we were devoured. So glad. Isn't God great?

That's alot more than just the flesh. It wasn't God's will for us to go through that. Demons were trying to kill us for the Word's sake (Mark 4:17). There is alot more, that I didn't talk about in this post, that went on that was purely demonic. I meant to just tell of my experience with demons and generational curses in my family, but I guess I went on a bit.

I hope you can all now see that demons are real, and their tortures are real, and generational curses are also real. Ephesians 4:27 goes right along with Exodus 20:5

I don't have time to get into it this morning, but the net effect of what you have posted here is that you are being taught doctrine by experiencing demonic manifestations.

Seems like a real bad idea to me.

Asaph

 

[AshenK]

I don't have time to get into it this morning, but the net effect of what you have posted here is that you are being taught doctrine by experiencing demonic manifestations.

Seems like a real bad idea to me.

Asaph

We were staunch fundamental independent Baptists for decades. However, We became so desperate that we finally had 'ears to hear'. You can explain something to someone 365 different ways, but if they don't have 'ears to hear' they will just continue thinking they're right.

We were Baptists when all this was happening. The reason for being taught this doctrine, wasn't based on demonic manifestations. It was because we were desperate for truth, and for something that really worked. This truth proved to be real to us, and now we are prospering, knowing God has only good things in store for us.

Considering from where we were, it's a miracle that we believe what we do today. If he opened our ears to hear, I know he can open yours.

God bless.

 

[discernomatic]

Hmm, my mom and I have talked about this, and I did have her "generational curse" because she taught me something was right, when it was wrong... so, I learned from her that this sin was how people lived life, so naturally, I did the same. However, in being born again from Christ I am freed from those chains. Does that make sense?

It makes sense to me. I think that behavior learned from parents makes up a large part of the "generational curse". Without the guidance of the Holy Spirit some would never be able to break free of it.

 

[Asaph]

We were staunch fundamental independent Baptists for decades. However, We became so desperate that we finally had 'ears to hear'. You can explain something to someone 365 different ways, but if they don't have 'ears to hear' they will just continue thinking they're right.

We were Baptists when all this was happening. The reason for being taught this doctrine, wasn't based on demonic manifestations. It was because we were desperate for truth, and for something that really worked. This truth proved to be real to us, and now we are prospering, knowing God has only good things in store for us.

Considering from where we were, it's a miracle that we believe what we do today. If he opened our ears to hear, I know he can open yours.

God bless.

No, God is not going to open my ears to false doctrine. It has zero biblical support and the only "proof" you have for it comes from experiencing demons.

No thank you.

Asaph

 

[9-iron]

Am in the middle of a PM battle with someone in the first category, but he'll just have to figure it out for himself I guess

Learn this right now and it will save you tons of stress and burden. NEVER ARGUE WITH SOMEONE TRAPPED IN LEGALISM!! His mind will never comprehend what you are trying to tell them.

 

[AshenK]

No, God is not going to open my ears to false doctrine. It has zero biblical support and the only "proof" you have for it comes from experiencing demons.

No thank you.

Asaph

Romans 4:16 says that we, Christians, are all children of Abraham.
Then, how is it, that in Luke 16:13 "Satan bound a daughter of Abraham for 18 years". Apparently, this Christian was bound by more than just the flesh, as the Scriptures clearly tell us - it was Satan.

I'm not trying to debate you or prove my point, Asaph. I'm simply telling you what the Scriptures say. What do you think?

 

[Asaph]

Romans 4:16 says that we, Christians, are all children of Abraham.
Then, how is it, that in Luke 16:13 "Satan bound a daughter of Abraham for 18 years". Apparently, this Christian was bound by more than just the flesh, as the Scriptures clearly tell us - it was Satan.

I'm not trying to debate you or prove my point, Asaph. I'm simply telling you what the Scriptures say. What do you think?

I think it's a poor use of scriptures out of context, and out of time. Jesus was not yet risen from the dead when He healed the woman.

Gal 3:11-14
11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith." 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them." 13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
NKJV

Asaph

 

[AshenK]

I think it's a poor use of scriptures out of context, and out of time. Jesus was not yet risen from the dead when He healed the woman.

Gal 3:11-14
11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith." 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them." 13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
NKJV

Asaph

You're on the right track.

Christians can let demons beat them up. Follow closely:

(Galatians 3:11-14) Jesus came to destroy the prince of this world, and died (redeeming or) giving authority back to man (Jesus was a man, and came to the earth through the legal covenant of abraham). Now, did you know we give that authority back to demons through sin/generational curse, and that's how they torture us. We give the devil a place in our life, and let them torture us. Ephesians 4:27. The greek word for 'place' here can be translated as 'sheath'. See, we strap them on let them torture us.

 

[Asaph]

You're on the right track.

Christians can let demons beat them up. Follow closely:

(Galatians 3:11-14) Jesus came to destroy the prince of this world, and died (redeeming or) giving authority back to man (Jesus was a man, and came to the earth through the legal covenant of abraham). Now, did you know we give that authority back to demons through sin/generational curse, and that's how they torture us. We give the devil a place in our life, and let them torture us. Ephesians 4:27. The greek word for 'place' here can be translated as 'sheath'. See, we strap them on let them torture us.

Eph 4:25-27
25 Therefore, putting away lying, "Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor," for we are members of one another. 26 Be angry, and do not sin": do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil.
NKJV

This is where you err. It is you who are "giving place to the devil" by promoting an unbiblical doctrine of assigning power to the devil and his minions that they do not have. It denies the finished work of the cross, and glorifies demons instead of the Lord.

1 John 4:4-6
4 You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. 6 We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
NKJV

Asaph

 

[AshenK]

This is where you err. It is you who are "giving place to the devil" by promoting an unbiblical doctrine of assigning power to the devil and his minions that they do not have. It denies the finished work of the cross, and glorifies demons instead of the Lord.

Asaph

Okay. Have Scripture that says demons can't torture us, because it glorifies demons and denies the finished work of the cross?

 

[Asaph]

Okay. Have Scripture that says demons can't torture us, because it glorifies demons and denies the finished work of the cross?

You are the one who claimed that generational curses were fact based entirely upon the experience you have of demon manifestations. The burden is upon you to make a solid biblical case for a doctrine you are espousing with nothing but the demonic as a basis so far.

I've thus far been reluctant to bring up this scripture, but unless you can make a scriptural case it seems applicable.

1 Tim 4:1
4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
NKJV


Asaph

 

[AshenK]

You are the one who claimed that generational curses were fact based entirely upon the experience you have of demon manifestations. The burden is upon you to make a solid biblical case for a doctrine you are espousing with nothing but the demonic as a basis so far.

I've thus far been reluctant to bring up this scripture, but unless you can make a scriptural case it seems applicable.

1 Tim 4:1
4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
NKJV


Asaph

Exodus 20:5 clearly explains generational curses. I've given you Scriptures for everything else. So, do you have do you have Scriptures that say demons aren't allowed to torture Christians because it glories the demon and denies the cross?

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

Exodus 20:5 clearly explains generational curses. I've given you Scriptures for everything else. So, do you have do you have Scriptures that say demons aren't allowed to torture Christians because it glories the demon and denies the cross?

And the less-oft quoted Exodus 20:6 (which is what God held a spotlight on when I had to recover from the lie of generational curses)

6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

So, I'll give you this.

Don't love the Lord ... generational curses

Love the Lord ... no generational curses

I strongly believe that you cannot be a Christian and have a generational curse. If you are cursed, you are not a child of Gods.

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

Exodus 20:5 clearly explains generational curses. I've given you Scriptures for everything else. So, do you have do you have Scriptures that say demons aren't allowed to torture Christians because it glories the demon and denies the cross?

Oops...thought I had lost the first post...just a duplicate here.

 

[AshenK]

I strongly believe that you cannot be a Christian and have a generational curse. If you are cursed, you are not a child of Gods.

and where's Scripture for this statement? =)