generational curses

[kingzjewel]

i think this should be a topic on everyone's mind. i have a few that i am fighting, a few i have broken. examples: ALCOHOLISM, INSANITY, SUICIDE, DEPRESSION, FEAR, POVERTY, DIVORCE OR LOST MARRIAGES, and that's just a few.

anyone else here dealing with these curses?

 

[discernomatic]

I don't believe that generational curses apply to Christians any more. The blessings go to the thousandth generation.

I hope you have really conquered most of these, as they seem pretty bad all together. Saw that you are a youth pastor in your profile. If you have conquored these kinds of things with the help of Jesus Christ then it will be of great assistance in helping others.

Sometimes I find that a problem can raise up its ugly head, even though you think that you have conquered it. The second time around it may be easier to get over it, though, but it may not be possible by yourself.

I have had problems in the past with depression and suicidal thoughts - no attempts. In one situation my parents came to the Lord and were able to help me out of the depression (I was already Christian but had no guidance). The other situation was caused by a conflict with a pastor who tried to manipulate me. I thought that God was rejecting me even though I had studied such phenomena. I was in a weak position because of stress and threatened poverty. Knowledge was not of much use in the situation. I was blessed to have Christian friends that encouraged me and prayed with me. A full account of it is called Abuse of Pastoral Authority at my website. I am still dealing with the consequences, but am well on the way to healing.

discernomatic

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

If you are saved, you are not under any generational curses. God blesses those he loves. That doesn't mean we are never chastened because He also disciplines those He loves. This also doesn't mean we don't face temptation in certain areas because that is certainly not the case. If we grew up with alcoholism in our homes, then we'll probably be more tempted by alcohol so on and so forth. If our mother's screamed a lot, we learned to scream as well and will be tempted by it.

I was under the 'curse' of 'generational curses' for a long time and was told my children's 'issues' were do to my husband's family. I was broken over this and God finally got it through my thick skull that He loves my children. He knit them together in my womb and because we love the Lord with all our heart, our children are blessed. I'm simplifying what I learned because it actually took a long time for God to get through to me on this one and there was so much I was shown but now I have no doubt, there is and was never a generational curse over my children. Praise God

The idea of 'generational curses' as is spread today is simply another lie of satans to keep us apart from God. If you are in a church spreading this lie, leave. I know from first hand experience how damaging this lie is and how it can and does keep you away from the one true God.

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

Okay, I was just thinking about this a bit more and believe God really places something on my heart. I don't know if it is specifically for you or somebody else reading this but I think this is for somebody here.

Ask yourself this question, if you are under a generational curse, who cursed you? Since to believe satan placed the curse is extrabiblical and cannot be found in scripture, the only answer is God. If God placed the curse and you've been saved, why would you still be cursed? And, if God placed the curse, do you really think you have to go through some 'hocus-pocus' routine to have the curse dropped. Isn't what the Lord has already done for you enough?

Have you studied your Bible. Check out:

Galatians 5

1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage


The theory of 'generational sin' makes us victims. We are not victims. We are God's children.

 

[discernomatic]

Gee OreGal, here we meet again! Them's strong words, but I have to agree with you once more!

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

Thanks Discern. Having been there, suffered through that, I just hate the thought of anybody else getting caught up in these teachings.

 

[holo]

Curses, eh?

Well, no matter how it all works in the more or less unknown spiritual realities, it certainly feels like a curse when you wake up and the first thing on your mind is how to get more pills.

The really cool thing here is that Jesus bought us free from the curse. When I understood that, I learned that I don't have to live as an ex-druggie or former alcoholic or anything like that. No, I can live as if it never happened at all. He cleanses us from ALL inequity. His pain, my gain.

Come to think of it, I've never broken a curse or defeated a sin in my entire life. I only manage to keep them at a distance. Jesus, however, tosses them into the sea and harpoons them afterwards to make sure they're gone. And I, weak as I am, go back and do the exact same stupid thing yet again. Or I may even figure out some new, unheard of way to sin. Same process. Jesus grabs it, takes it and slam dunks it into oblivion. He never holds my old sins against me. Not the new ones either. And gradually I look at those sins and temptations and I go "nah. Don't want them. Let's do something good instead."

A curse, given you by God, would be something you deserve. But He doesn't give us what we deserve, and thank Him for that.

 

[janny108]

I think I sort of take a middle approach; I think all families there are tendencies or predispositions towards certain things. But even so, when we get saved, we have a different way to act; ex. I have 2 sisters who take antidepressants and antianxiety stuff, but their behaviors may have contributed to that too. I don't take those things. I don't think that is only genetic, it's how people act and we are all responsible for how we act.

jan

 

[janny108]

Oh I wanted to add that they had female problems too, and I don't have those either.

Jan

 

[Asaph]

Those who persist in teaching the false doctrine of generational curses are themselves in the bondage of the flesh.

They do not understand the price paid for them. That in itself does not mean they are not saved, not in and of itself anyway.

It could very well merely mean they are fleshly, carnal, sensual. In other words, Christians who have fallen from Grace. Or it could mean they are not saved in the first place.

Asaph

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

Asaph, I agree and disagree. I think the average Christian can be deceived by these teachings and they can still be a Christian but I do believe that when you are in a position of authority and teach these things, you are no longer just deceived but deceiving others. So if somebody is a pastor or somebody who broadcasts these teachings to many others, I'd be inclined to think they are a false teacher and the Bible is pretty clear on false teachers. However, that being said, I do believe they can see the error of their ways and still be saved and that does happen...praise God!

 

[Asaph]

Asaph, I agree and disagree. I think the average Christian can be deceived by these teachings and they can still be a Christian but I do believe that when you are in a position of authority and teach these things, you are no longer just deceived but deceiving others. So if somebody is a pastor or somebody who broadcasts these teachings to many others, I'd be inclined to think they are a false teacher and the Bible is pretty clear on false teachers. However, that being said, I do believe they can see the error of their ways and still be saved and that does happen...praise God!

I just don't see it as an error in the proclaimation of exactly who Jesus is. Therefore, it isn't a salvation issue as much as it's an Abundant Life issue.

Note that when Peter played the hypocrite and brought others with him (Barnabas I think it was) Paul did not accuse Peter of following the devil. He accused him of putting himself and others into bondage.

So if a preacher is teaching error, I think we should be very, very careful about accusing them of not being saved. They may merely be living in self-imposed bondage. Or more likely, chains and fetters thrust on them by their judgemental flocks.

Just my opinion though.

Asaph

 

[discernomatic]

I just don't see it as an error in the proclaimation of exactly who Jesus is. Therefore, it isn't a salvation issue as much as it's an Abundant Life issue.

Is there a certain concept behind "Abundant Life"?

 

[Asaph]

Is there a certain concept behind "Abundant Life"?

I wish you would have quoted my whole post. It would be easier to respond. But I will try given the limitations of the question you pose.

In my studies of the word, and my observations of "Christianity" in action, I see two distinct groupings of Christians. All Christians, and all my brothers and sisters, but yet still grouped into two catagories.

There are those who meet Jesus and for what ever reason immediately fall into the bondage of legalisim. Not out of some nefarious intent on their part, merely because they truely want to live a life in Gods eyes that is pleasing to Him. But they get stuck there because the strength of sin is the law. They constantly strengthen their own sin of self-righteousness without ever realizing it. I was one of those people. Man I was hard as flint. Thank God He can even make flint have the consistancy of silly putty.

Then there is the other group. Primarily made up of those of us who have been through the "legalisim" stage and now actually understand Grace. These are the ones that understand that the "Abundant Life" the word talks about only comes as a result of Liberty. Freedom. No bondages. We are free to Love without restraint. Please pay particular attention to that last sentence. I did not say we are free to "sin" without restraint, though I guess we would be, but I said we are free to "Love" without restraint.

Gal 5:1-6
5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
NKJV


Asaph

 

[holo]

Ah yes. The veil of the most holy has been torn, the veil over my eyes as I read the law has been lifted.

Man, I love Jesus.

 

[discernomatic]

I wish you would have quoted my whole post. It would be easier to respond. But I will try given the limitations of the question you pose.

In my studies of the word, and my observations of "Christianity" in action, I see two distinct groupings of Christians. All Christians, and all my brothers and sisters, but yet still grouped into two catagories.

There are those who meet Jesus and for what ever reason immediately fall into the bondage of legalisim. Not out of some nefarious intent on their part, merely because they truely want to live a life in Gods eyes that is pleasing to Him. But they get stuck there because the strength of sin is the law. They constantly strengthen their own sin of self-righteousness without ever realizing it. I was one of those people. Man I was hard as flint. Thank God He can even make flint have the consistancy of silly putty.

Lol! Silly putty was a good one!

Then there is the other group. Primarily made up of those of us who have been through the "legalisim" stage and now actually understand Grace. These are the ones that understand that the "Abundant Life" the word talks about only comes as a result of Liberty. Freedom. No bondages. We are free to Love without restraint. Please pay particular attention to that last sentence. I did not say we are free to "sin" without restraint, though I guess we would be, but I said we are free to "Love" without restraint.

Gal 5:1-6
5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
NKJV

Hey, I was in the first category too. Now I'm in the second one but got a way to go. I agree with every word you wrote here! Am in the middle of a PM battle with someone in the first category, but he'll just have to figure it out for himself I guess. Is as dense as I was in danger of becoming if I hadn't turned around. Sometimes we can block the Holy Spirit out so much that we don't hear him any more.

 

[Asaph]

Lol! Silly putty was a good one!


Hey, I was in the first category too. Now I'm in the second one but got a way to go. I agree with every word you wrote here! Am in the middle of a PM battle with someone in the first category, but he'll just have to figure it out for himself I guess. Is as dense as I was in danger of becoming if I hadn't turned around. Sometimes we can block the Holy Spirit out so much that we don't hear him any more.

That's what is so incredible about the Good News, God is always faithful. No matter what He will always be faithful. Because that is who He is.

If God has willed within Himself to save a person you can rest assured that He counted the cost, and no matter what that cost was, He paid it in full.

The Love of God stuns me.

Asaph

 

[lismore]

i think this should be a topic on everyone's mind. i have a few that i am fighting, a few i have broken. examples: ALCOHOLISM, INSANITY, SUICIDE, DEPRESSION, FEAR, POVERTY, DIVORCE OR LOST MARRIAGES, and that's just a few.

anyone else here dealing with these curses?

Generational curses can be a confusing doctrine, just for the reason that it should not be a doctrine, its not a set and fast rule and its a confusing term, but sometimes the consequnces of actions do visit themselves on the children.

John 9: Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind



1As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" 3"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.

What can we take from this: that this illness was not a result of him or his parents sinning. Therefore not a generational issue

Around 18 years ago I attended a healing meeting by Ian Andrews. There was a woman there whose son had down's syndrome. They went out for prayer. the word of knowledge came to the speaker: when pregnant the mother had visited a spiritualist medium and the child was born with down's syndrome. She was told if she repented of this then they would pray for her son and he would be healed. So she repented and they prayed for her son, what can one say- you could see the Down's syndrome lifting off his face, you could see him being instantly healed and it was the most awesome and scary experience I ever saw.

Now can we say that all people with down's syndrome had their mother visit a spiritualist medium when pregnant? No we cannot.

There are no generalisations- theres only hearing from God.

If God says theres a spiritual reason for something then people telling you that there are no spiritual reasons for such things is water off a duck's back.
Vice versa, if God says there's no spiritual reason then getting something to drive a familiar spirit out of you will not help

Lismore

 

[lismore]

Generational curses can be a confusing doctrine, just for the reason that it should not be a doctrine, its not a set and fast rule and its a confusing term, but sometimes the consequnces of actions do visit themselves on the children.

John 9: Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind



1As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" 3"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.

What can we take from this: that this illness was not a result of him or his parents sinning. Therefore not a generational issue

Around 18 years ago I attended a healing meeting by Ian Andrews. There was a woman there whose son had down's syndrome. They went out for prayer. the word of knowledge came to the speaker: when pregnant the mother had visited a spiritualist medium and the child was born with down's syndrome. She was told if she repented of this then they would pray for her son and he would be healed. So she repented and they prayed for her son, what can one say- you could see the Down's syndrome lifting off his face, you could see him being instantly healed and it was the most awesome and scary experience I ever saw.

Now can we say that all people with down's syndrome had their mother visit a spiritualist medium when pregnant? No we cannot.

There are no generalisations- theres only hearing from God.

If God says theres a spiritual reason for something then people telling you that there are no spiritual reasons for such things is water off a duck's back.
Vice versa, if God says there's no spiritual reason then getting something to drive a familiar spirit out of you will not help

Lismore

Oh and one further thing, there are plenty of people who want to hear God for you and tell you your solution. I have been diagnosed with generational curses for going on holidays to certain places, for talking too much or not enough and for putting too much ketchup on french fries (familiar spirit of lust brought by alcoholism from grandad).

God can speak through another believer, but he also wants to speak to you.

Now there are those who experience terrible spiritual problems, like a believer I know who cries real bad because he commits a sin over which he has no control to stop. Its like something else takes over him for a while. I heard a speaker once, a Chinese Lady, she didnt have the yearbook terminology, but she had a ministry of praying for Christians in a similar position who were opressed by something oppressive which was lifted through intercession and prayer for the person. Now this is a genuine spiritual issue. David and bathsheba's child through adultery died and their second was a sexual pervert. maybe a pattern there.

I hope someone can see my reasoning behind all these ramblings

 

[wingcross]

i think this should be a topic on everyone's mind. i have a few that i am fighting, a few i have broken. examples: ALCOHOLISM, INSANITY, SUICIDE, DEPRESSION, FEAR, POVERTY, DIVORCE OR LOST MARRIAGES, and that's just a few.

anyone else here dealing with these curses?

a pastor was teaching this. I wasnt really into it coz he is using his family background to share the generational curses.

I share with friends that i disagree with how he put it. Not sure how, maybe they told the pastor.

I believe once you r saved by trusting Jesus, the curse flow from earlier generation will stop in its track.