gen 1:20

[AV1611VET]

I was wondering how can we know which heaven is which? For example, compare gen 1:17 to 1:20. When God place the sun and moon inside this firmament (1:17) this is referring to outerspace. However, in gen 1:20 when birds fly into the open firmament, we take this as the earth's atmosphere. So therefore I assumed gen 1:17 is only confined to the sky. I think words can throw us off.

Looks to me like you got it right.

The words certainly didn't throw you off, did they?

Good job!

 

[hisgrace26]

Looks to me like you got it right.

The words certainly didn't throw you off, did they?

Good job!

Thanks. It took me a while to grasp the difference. Ancient people took sky to be the same as the heaven. They're both use interchangeable depending on the context. I have one question: today we consider the sky to be different from heaven. I might be wrong about this though, but why did they think it is the same? If God wanted to make His word clear wouldn't He have said so? You get what I mean?

 

[AV1611VET]

If God wanted to make His word clear wouldn't He have said so? You get what I mean?

All I can say about that is that God's word choices are divine.

I like to listen to great orators like Paul Harvey; but none can hold a candle to God, the greatest Orator of all time.

The words He chose to use are strictly His style.

 

[Lillen]

A swedish poet, and songwriter once sang "some say above the clouds the sky is always blue"!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u-ZcFgDj-4

 

[hisgrace26]

All I can say about that is that God's word choices are divine.

I like to listen to great orators like Paul Harvey; but none can hold a candle to God, the greatest Orator of all time.

The words He chose to use are strictly His style.

Or, one of the objection I've heard is that ancient people didn't know any better and were uneducated. They thought the sky was heaven and supposedly were wrong? You know things along lines. However, interestingly, in our culture we actually use one word for both sky and heaven. he he he. I assume most culture does it too.

 

[AV1611VET]

Or, one of the objection I've heard is that ancient people didn't know any better and were uneducated.

They didn't have to have an education -- they were writing God's words, not theirs.

Even angels, who have near omniscient knowledge, found something in the Scriptures they couldn't understand (the dispensation of Grace).

1 Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Peter also says of some of Paul's writings:

2 Peter 3:16a As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood,

And in some cases, they had to write specific words:

Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

In other words, they didn't have to understand what they were writing, they just had to be obedient enough to write it.

They thought the sky was heaven and supposedly were wrong?

No -- the sky is heaven -- specifically First Heaven.

 

[hisgrace26]

They didn't have to have an education -- they were writing God's words, not theirs.

Even angels, who have near omniscient knowledge, found something in the Scriptures they couldn't understand (the dispensation of Grace).

1 Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Peter also says of some of Paul's writings:

2 Peter 3:16a As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood,

And in some cases, they had to write specific words:

Revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

In other words, they didn't have to understand what they were writing, they just had to be obedient enough to write it.

No -- the sky is heaven -- specifically First Heaven.

I see your point. This might be off topic but let me ask you a question and hopefully you can give some logical answers to it. Others might say the ancient having premitive minds thought God live up in the sky and then they made up all these illogical stories that is unproven. Heaven does not exist and all based on speculations. That's all.

 

[AV1611VET]

I see your point. This might be off topic but let me ask you a question and hopefully you can give some logical answers to it. Others might say the ancient having premitive minds thought God live up in the sky and then they made up all these illogical stories that is unproven. Heaven does not exist and all based on speculations. That's all.

I don't believe in 'ancients', but for the record, Adam was the most 'ancient' of men; and Adam walked and talked with God.

Later, after the Flood in Noah's time, some departed from the faith and went and built a secular, competing empire called Sumeria.

It is from Sumeria that I believe all error doctrine comes from.

The Sumerians -- made up of some of the best scientists of their time -- poisoned the world with their doctrines and philosophies.