Gehenna and Hell?

[GospelS]

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

[1213]

... They are not just souls but will have a physical resurrected body of sin that won't die. ....

Then, what do you think this means:

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell [Gehenna].
Matt. 10:28

 

[GospelS]

Then, what do you think this means:

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell [Gehenna].
Matt. 10:28

This what it means:

It resembles and has a connection to what God said in Genesis 2:17 "for in the day that you eat of it you will surely die." (die, kill, destroy)

So how did they die on that day when they sinned? Immediate spiritual/soul death? Yes. How? By sin and separation from God. Immediate physical death? No. And how long they lived? About 930 years? Yes. They were both ‘dead’ (soul) and ‘dying’ (body) while still breathing. They still had a dead soul and dying body. Its a dead, dying, breathing body and soul. That is what God says death is. That’s how sin and separation from God kills/destroys. It is same afterlife but more severe than now for the unbelievers.

In the present world, there are struggles, sin and death and separation from God in this temporary life but presently there is still God’s grace and His light shining. The present world is a shadow of Gehenna because there will be everlasting struggles, sin and death and separation from God without God’s grace and His light.

Garden of Eden is the paradise where believers will live a eternal glorious life and outside is Gehenna where unbelievers will be cast out to a eternal painful life of death, just as Adam and Eve were cast out.

Every unbeliever is dead while they are also experiencing death in their present world and it will be similar in Gehenna but more severe and everlasting. Every believer is alive while they are experiencing life in their present world and it will be similar in Paradise but more glorious and everlasting.

You may ask me how believers are experiencing life in the present world? Well, it is because of the Holy Spirit that gives us life which is our gift of salvation. How? It is by the fruits of the Spirit that we are experiencing life, that is through God's love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. These fruits are bringing life unto believers soul and body in their daily present state as they are not separate from God. And we will have more of that in Paradise, for eternity.

And how unbelievers are experiencing death in the present world? No God's love, No real joy, No real peace, No real forbearance, No real kindness, No real goodness, No faithfulness, No real gentleness and No self-control. These results of sin and separation from God are bringing death unto unbelievers soul and body in their daily present state. And they we will have more of that in Gehenna, for eternity.

While we all physically die here, nobody dies after resurrection from death. (some are resurrected to everlasting life and some to everlasting death. Daniel 12:2, John 5:29)

When God destroys someone, that person will suffer destruction for eternity. That is how severe God's destruction will be. God can do that. I don't think it is like a man's definition of 'just put in fire and then gone like a burnt paper'. I hope you will meditate on these points and pray about it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

@Bible Highlighter

What do you make of the phrase "their worm shall not die" ?

After the Millennium, the Final Judgment, and after a certain amount of time passes on the New Earth, Isaiah 66:22-24 describes an event where the saints will view the dead corpses of the wicked (Showing an end to all evil).

To see my timeline on where the saints witness the lifeless remains of the wicked with Scripture, check out these links within part of my End Times Chronology here (at CF):

1. The Millennium: the 1st of the Resurrections, 1,000 Year Reign of Christ, & the Final Last Battle.
2. Old Earth Passes Away and A New Earth Appears.
3. New Jerusalem Comes Down From Out of Heaven.
4. The Final Resurrections and the Judgment.
5. The Saints Witness the Lifeless Remains of the Wicked.
6. The End - The Saints Live with God for All Eternity.​

Anyways, in Isaiah 66:24, we learn that the saints who view these corpses (the wicked) is a symbol of final death. Isaiah 66 does not say these corpses are still alive. Corpses are dead. The worm not dying does not mean the corpses are alive (even if these worms were immortal). But are the worms really immortal?

Well, here is a quote from an article that may be helpful.

If we were to consistently take “will not die” to mean “will never die,” we would make a mess of Scripture. Joseph tells his brothers in Genesis 42:20, “Bring your youngest brother to me, so your words may be verified, and you will not die.” The Lord directs Moses in Exodus 30:20, “When they enter the tent of meeting, they shall wash with water, so that they will not die.” Zedekiah says to Jeremiah in Jeremiah 38:24, “Let no man know about these words and you will not die.” Obviously Joseph’s brothers did not think he was promising them immortality; Moses was not assured that by washing with water when entering the tent the priests would never die; Jeremiah did not take Zedekiah to mean he would live forever by remaining silent.
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I hope this helps, and may God bless you today.


Article Source used:
Their Worm Does Not Die: Annihilation and Mark 9:48 | Rethinking Hell

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Gehenna is a proper noun. The valley was initially, in Old Testament times, where children were sacrificed to Moloch. By the time of Christ, the ill-omened place had become a garbage dump, which the metaphor the that the Bible is using. The fires are reference to two things: burning of the bodies of sacrificed children and rubbish fires to clear the way new garbage. What the fires of Gehenna conveyed to the contemporary reader was not physical agony so much as moral horror - being burned on the garbage heaps of Gehenna would have been seen as quite a shameful fate indeed.

 

[1213]

This what it means:

It resembles and has a connection to what God said in Genesis 2:17 "for in the day that you eat of it you will surely die." (die, kill, destroy)

So how did they die on that day when they sinned? ....

It is interesting that literal translation says it like this:

and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it--dying thou dost die.'
Gen. 2:17

And I understand it means, by death they shall die. This life is the first death where people die. So, my answer is, they lost their life with God and begun to die, but death is a slow process, but in the end, one is destroyed. And when Bible speaks of second death where body and soul are destroyed, I think it means just that, those people don’t live anymore and are totally destroyed.

 

[GospelS]

It is interesting that literal translation says it like this:

and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it--dying thou dost die.'
Gen. 2:17

And I understand it means, by death they shall die. This life is the first death where people die. So, my answer is, they lost their life with God and begun to die, but death is a slow process, but in the end, one is destroyed. And when Bible speaks of second death where body and soul are destroyed, I think it means just that, those people don’t live anymore and are totally destroyed.

Thanks for sharing. Bible tells its an everlasting/eternal shame and punishment. I don't think second death is same as first death. You could be right also. But we don't know anything for sure.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Thanks for sharing. Bible tells its an everlasting/eternal shame and punishment. I don't think second death is same as first death. You could be right also. But we don't know anything for sure.

There is a physical birth (born of water) and a physical death. Then there is a spiritual birth (born again) and spiritual death (complete destruction of the soul) in the lake of fire. Yeshua's sheep will not taste the 2nd death...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Gehenna is a proper noun. The valley was initially, in Old Testament times, where children were sacrificed to Moloch. By the time of Christ, the ill-omened place had become a garbage dump, which the metaphor the that the Bible is using. The fires are reference to two things: burning of the bodies of sacrificed children and rubbish fires to clear the way new garbage. What the fires of Gehenna conveyed to the contemporary reader was not physical agony so much as moral horror - being burned on the garbage heaps of Gehenna would have been seen as quite a shameful fate indeed.

The valley of the sons of Hinnom (Gei ben Hinnom)...

 

[zelosravioli]

This what it means:
So how did they die on that day when they sinned? Immediate spiritual/soul death? Yes. How? By sin and separation from God. Immediate physical death? No. And how long they lived? About 930 years? Yes. They were both ‘dead’ (soul) and ‘dying’ (body) while still breathing.

Nothing actually says Adam and Eve died 'spiritually' when they ate from the tree. They received the curse/promise or 'sentence' of death when they sinned, and that sentence was passed onto all mankind. 2. We are not born spiritually dead, that is unbiblical. We are told we will have a second death, the death of the soul.
And 3. Fire speaks of a painful death and punishment, but fire also speaks of 'complete destruction' and extinction - yes, like paper, or anything put in a fire, nothing escapes fires ability to destroy. And scripture makes a hundred references to complete utter destruction of the sinner.