Gays & Abortion

[BobTheAtheist]

This question is for those that believe abortion and being gay is wrong.
If science advanced far enough that you could tell before birth if your child was going to turn out gay would you prefer an abortion or a gay child?

 

[mmccaskill]

I speculate that most would claim science will never prove such a thing.

 

[numberprophet]

I speculate that most would claim science will never prove such a thing.

Really? I'm going for, "Homosexuality isn't predetermined at birth," or "Homosexuality can be 'cured'."

 

[Welgaia]

I speculate that most would claim science will never prove such a thing.

I agree, you should probably edit the OP to forbid people so that they won't continuously post that sort of thing. It won't stop some people, but you won't have to wade through bad answers. This would also make a good poll.

 

[quatona]

As usual, I speculate, that a lot of answers will have to do with free will.

 

[BobTheAtheist]

Yes I thought about the issue of nature vs nurture etc but I you're right people will most likely side step the issue by arguing it is upbringing or something.
What I am asking is if you KNEW your child would turn out gay.

(And so I guess I am also asking, which is worse abortion or homosexuality?)

 

[numberprophet]

That is such a horrible thought. WHO would do that?

 

[Mythunderstood]

I'd expect christians to say that they would choose to have a homosexual child. Of course they would try to change them (somehow, even if they knew it was genetic), or they would expect them to be condemned to a sexless life.

 

[BobTheAtheist]

That is such a horrible thought. WHO would do that?

Yes it is. But the question is directed more towards the Fred Phelps kind of people. What would Fred Phelps do?

 

[Welgaia]

Maybe we should let some Christians respond....? Just a thought.

 

[numberprophet]

This thread is already going scary places, and no Christians have even responded yet.

 

[kdet]

This question is for those that believe abortion and being gay is wrong.
If science advanced far enough that you could tell before birth if your child was going to turn out gay would you prefer an abortion or a gay child?

I would guess that you have no idea how many times this question has been asked on these forums. Anyway, abortion is murder so I personally don't see how anyone could choose abortion? A child could grow up to be involved in any number of things that we would rather they hadn't chosen for a lifestyle but I don't believe that anyone would choose to abort their child instead of them turning out in ways that we wish they hadn't

 

[4childofgod]

I don't believe people are born gay

 

[Catholicism]

So you want to know if it is 'ok' to murder someone because they are gay? I say no-way.

 

[nvxplorer]

Anyway, abortion is murder so I personally don't see how anyone could choose abortion?

Do you have scriptural reference for abortion being murder?

What if the woman’s life is in danger from the pregnancy?

What if someone accidentally causes a woman to miscarry? Would that be involuntary manslaughter?

 

[nvxplorer]

So you want to know if it is 'ok' to murder someone because they are gay? I say no-way.

I assume you believe life begins at conception. Going on that assumption, what is your view of fertility clinics? Is it wrong to create life that you know will eventually be destroyed?

 

[kdet]

Do you have scriptural reference for abortion being murder?

What if the woman’s life is in danger from the pregnancy?

What if someone accidentally causes a woman to miscarry? Would that be involuntary manslaughter?

This thread isn't about those questions you asked, it is about answering the question the op asked, which I did.

 

[Catholicism]

Do you have scriptural reference for abortion being murder?

Why do I need Scriptural references? What does that have to do with determining whether abortion is murder or not? But since you brought it up, let’s determine whether we can find out if abortion is murder or not (or at least scratch the surface.)

1. Definition of Murder: The Killing of an innocent Human Being
2. Definition of Killing: Forcibly putting a live organism to death.
3. Definition of Innocent: A person who is not guilty of a specific crime or offense.
4. Definition of Human Being: A Rational Animal(i.e. it can question it’s programming)

Alright, so now we got some terms identified. And we can start answering this question. 1. Abortion is an act of killing by forcibly putting the fetus to death. 2. It can be said that the fetus is innocent if it is a human being.

3. So now all we have left to determine whether or not the Fetus is a Human being, and we know whether or not Abortion is Murder. But as we well know, a Fetus can not ask questions. But then again neither do infants or you or I when we are in a dreamless sleep. Now unless one is willing to say that it is not murder to kill someone when they are sleeping, I must assume that there is a distinction between being a Human Being and Acting like a Human Being. So then, what is the Fetus? Well the easiest thing to say is that it is a potential Human Being. Now if I remember right, a Potential X equals an actual Y. So I ask you again. What is the Fetus?

But lets move on, from what I understand every person has their own unique genetic code. So what things have this code? A fish? A Horse? An Ape? When a human being sleeps? When a human being is a year old? When a Human being is one minute old? Indeed genetically human beings begin at conception. For neither the sperm nor the ova have the complete code before conception. Now after conception, does the zygote have the same genetic code as the mother? Of the Father? Of course not. Each genetic code is different. But then we are led to the problem the code is for something. So what is that something? Well, I have my own genetic code, and I am a person, am I not? But you see, I am not a fetus, so we can not say that that something is a fetus but rather it is more likely that we would place organism. The fetus is an organism that is a potential human being. So before I move on, what is the Fetus if it is not a Human Being?

What if the woman’s life is in danger from the pregnancy?

I am not sure how to answer this…. If the fetus is a human being your question is equivalent to saying if one persons life is in danger is it ‘ok’ to kill another human being to save there life. What about heart transplants? Is it ok to kill someone (without their consent) to get their heart and save someone else?

What if someone accidentally causes a woman to miscarry? Would that be involuntary manslaughter?

Strictly dependent upon whether or not the Fetus is a human Being. If the Fetus is a Human Being, how is it different than someone accidentally running me over with a car?

 

[UberLutheran]

If I were to learn the child we were going to have was going to be gay, I would definitely choose not to have the child aborted.

I'll take it one step farther -- I would support the child, encourage him or her to develop their natural gifts and talents, and hope that when they became adults they would be able to find someone with whom they would want to spend their lives. I would want my child to have every happiness that every other person reasonably expects to have.

But then, I think it's fairly well know across CF that my position towards gays and lesbians is quite open and accepting (and I have the Scripture to back up my beliefs) so I don't think my response would really "count" for purposes of this question!

 

[stray bullet]

This question is for those that believe abortion and being gay is wrong.
If science advanced far enough that you could tell before birth if your child was going to turn out gay would you prefer an abortion or a gay child?

Billions of Christian have children knowing they will be born into original sin, hardly in comparison to having an attraction to the same sex.