Gay Pride Organization Files Complaint Against Local T-Shirt Company

[variant]

OK. So people who persecute the blind or the lame or the birthmarked by ridicule are not "serious." Maybe. So what? How would that change the fact that people do that very thing? That makes no sense.

By your analogy Christianity is inspireing the worst and most dispicable in people.

By your argument you are saying that people are wrong to take pride in themselves when confronted by the darkest part of human nature.

They are wrong to reject the darkness that lies in the most petty of souls and instead feel positively towards themselves?

 

[EdwinWillers]

And derivations thereof. You'd be amazed how creative the most ignorant portion of the population can be

"Such as thy words are, such will thine affections be esteemed; and such as thine affections, will be thy deeds; and such as thy deeds will be thy life." - Socrates

and,

"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." - Winston Churchill

 

[EdwinWillers]

All I said was f*g and f*ggot. Those aren't swear words, they are perfectly legitimate English words that got hijacked

Also, I edited my other post so you should have no problem responding

So you edited them, good.

 

[Ernst Junger]

Depends upon the individual and the culture. Most children with cleft palate are susceptible to feeling stigmatized. As far as homosexuals, some places in the West you may hardly feel ostracized or in any fear from society or the government. In other places they will kill you.

The point is that it's not the same thing. Homosexuality is a state of being. It's not a physical deformity. Not a mental illness. Not a genetic disorder. Not a lifestyle.

It just is. For too long these people in general have been ostracized, persecuted and killed merely for a fact of birth based on a concept of faith. A concept of faith never validated by any empirical reasoning. In the face of the overwhelming disdain shown by the majority culture against them the ability to stand up and proclaim oneself to not be an abomination is an act of personal and communal pride.

exactly which values are based on "empirical reasoning", lol?



Actually, why am I going about this socraticly when we both know your training will prevent you from answering in a way that is not evasive?

All questions of value are either baseless or can be reduced to baseless values.

 

[Wayte]

Depends upon the individual and the culture. Most children with cleft palate are susceptible to feeling stigmatized. As far as homosexuals, some places in the West you may hardly feel ostracized or in any fear from society or the government. In other places they will kill you.

The point is that it's not the same thing. Homosexuality is a state of being. It's not a physical deformity. Not a mental illness. Not a genetic disorder. Not a lifestyle.

It just is. For too long these people in general have been ostracized, persecuted and killed merely for a fact of birth based on a concept of faith. A concept of faith never validated by any empirical reasoning. In the face of the overwhelming disdain shown by the majority culture against them the ability to stand up and proclaim oneself to not be an abomination is an act of personal and communal pride.

edit: Or to put it another way. When a person puts their hand out for someone with a physical deformity they do so in an act of compassion as opposed to an act of aggression which is how it has been for homosexuals in many cultures and still is in many more.

That's kind of the problem though. Quite a few people do view it as a deformity. It's very hard to get any real sense across when two groups are working with entirely different meanings of a thing.

 

[variant]

Actually, that's incorrect. You're forgetting "fa**ot".

Etymologically it is a "bundle of sticks for burning (especially heretics)" which is actually quite dark if you think about it.

late 13c., "bundle of twigs bound up," from O.Fr. fa*ot "bundle of sticks" (13c.), of uncertain origin, probably from It. [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]to, dim. of V.L. *facus, from L. fascis "bundle of wood" (see fasces). Especially used for burning heretics (emblematic of this from 1550s), so that phrase fire and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] was used to indicate "punishment of a heretic." Heretics who recanted were required to wear an embroidered figure of a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] on their sleeve, as an emblem and reminder of what they deserved.

Quote supplied by the Online Etymology Dictionary.

 

[Ernst Junger]

Think? one can dream

 

[Wayte]

"Such as thy words are, such will thine affections be esteemed; and such as thine affections, will be thy deeds; and such as thy deeds will be thy life." - Socrates

and,

"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." - Winston Churchill

I assume you're implying that all these negative opinions on your beliefs legitimize your views? Cause ya, good things are mocked. But just because something is mocked does not mean it's good.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

Etymologically it is a "bundle of sticks for burning" which is actually quite dark if you think about it.

Quote supplied by the Online Etymology Dictionary.

No argument there...

 

[Leere]

I know lots of people whom I find are left-handed after having known them for some time, having never picked up a hint at their pride in the fact. My brother is left-handed. He has no pride and no shame about it. I think he'd laugh at the idea.

I'm left handed. I know plenty of people that have some pride in themselves for being left handed.

And that makes them proud?

If you were a homosexual, you would have pride in that fact, I guarantee you.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

one can dream

I sure hope that wasn't in reference to the bundle of sticks being burned thing.

 

[gnomon]

That's kind of the problem though. Quite a few people do view it as a deformity. It's very hard to get any real sense across when two groups are working with entirely different meanings of a thing.

That's true.

It's immensely frustrating to point some people towards the research only to have them flip to a single line in a book and say "nu-uh". It's even worse to point out to them that homosexuals are human beings who are causing them no harm just to hear them call homosexuals deformed or abominable. It's like there is some magic number that once enough people accept homosexuals for who they are then no one gets to go to heaven.

 

[variant]

No argument there...

Actually the page I quoted that from says the 13century definition being linked to the modern one is an urban legend.

Here's the proper one:

"male homosexual," 1914, Amer.Eng. slang (shortened form f*g is from 1921), probably from earlier contemptuous term for "woman" (1590s), especially an old and unpleasant one, in reference to fa**ot (1) "bundle of sticks," as something awkward that has to be carried (cf. baggage "worthless woman," 1590s). It may also be reinforced by Yiddish faygele "homosexual," lit. "little bird." It also may have roots in British public school slang f*g "a junior who does certain duties for a senior" (1785), with suggestions of "catamite," from f*g (v.). This also was used as a verb.

 

[Wayte]

That's true.

It's immensely frustrating to point some people towards the research only to have them flip to a single line in a book and say "nu-uh". It's even worse to point out to them that homosexuals are human beings who are causing them no harm just to hear them call homosexuals deformed or abominable. It's like there is some magic number that once enough people accept homosexuals for who they are then no one gets to go to heaven.

Honestly, I'd have to say that's the problem with inter-religious relations in general. You have groups of people who consider what they believe the absolute truth, with no room for shades of grey.

 

[Ernst Junger]

out of curiosity, do liberals have any conception of game theory? Like, do they ever sit down and consider their end-game society, and whether or not such a hedonic society would be able to resist the virtuous society?


A society of few children and no mothers, of castrated men and barren women eager to smother their offspring in the womb or the crib, of much noise and no music, of much color and no art, of nothing of substance or lasting value; a society waiting to ripped apart by the winds... do they see the society they desire and think "yes, this will last a thousand years. This will resist the world, this will be the final stage of human development!" as their ideologies require and hilariously assume?



Or do they just dither about whining about rights and causes and have no eye at all on eternal things?

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

out of curiosity, do liberals have any conception of game theory? Like, do they ever sit down and consider their end-game society, and whether or not such a hedonic society would be able to resist the virtuous society?


A society of few children and no mothers, of castrated men and barren women eager to smother their offspring in the womb or the crib, of much noise and no music, of much color and no art, of nothing of substance or lasting value; a society waiting to ripped apart by the winds... do they see the society they desire and think "yes, this will last a thousand years. This will resist the world, this will be the final stage of human development!" as their ideologies require and hilariously assume?



Or do they just dither about whining about rights and causes and have no eye at all on eternal things?

You do realize that Japan is "worse" than we are when it comes to morality and all that arbitrary, relative jazz, but are just fine as a functioning culture?

 

[variant]

out of curiosity, do liberals have any conception of game theory? Like, do they ever sit down and consider their end-game society, and whether or not such a hedonic society would be able to resist the virtuous society?

A society of few children and no mothers, of castrated men and barren women eager to smother their offspring in the womb or the crib, of much noise and no music, of much color and no art, of nothing of substance or lasting value; a society waiting to ripped apart by the winds... do they see the society they desire and think "yes, this will last a thousand years. This will resist the world, this will be the final stage of human development!" as their ideologies require and hilariously assume?

Or do they just dither about whining about rights and causes and have no eye at all on eternal things?

Have you stopped to consider that perhapse you just have a lot of bad assumptions.

What society do you propose that lasted for thousands of years in static harmony in a modern world? Perhapse how a society deals with changes and growth is part of what makes it strong.

 

[Ernst Junger]

How did japan survive the intrusion of the virituous society? Aren't they still just apeing it?

 

[gnomon]

out of curiosity, do liberals have any conception of game theory? Like, do they ever sit down and consider their end-game society, and whether or not such a hedonic society would be able to resist the virtuous society?


A society of few children and no mothers, of castrated men and barren women eager to smother their offspring in the womb or the crib, of much noise and no music, of much color and no art, of nothing of substance or lasting value; a society waiting to ripped apart by the winds... do they see the society they desire and think "yes, this will last a thousand years. This will resist the world, this will be the final stage of human development!" as their ideologies require and hilariously assume?



Or do they just dither about whining about rights and causes and have no eye at all on eternal things?

What are these eternal things?

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

How did japan survive the intrusion of the virituous society? Aren't they still just apeing it?

What do you mean?