Gay "behavior" is no different from heterosexual "behavior"

[ChaliceThunder]

You must never read my posts.

Homosexuality is an objetive moral disorder.

Heterosexual relations are sinful only in context.

Homosexual relations are always sinful.

Homosexuality, 2% of the population, is abnormal by definition. If 98% of the population is different than you- then you are by definition not the norm.

Your stats are not true. But in any case, you appear to lack an understanding of the term 'norm.'

 

[ChaliceThunder]

This is called loving someone "in spite of" (enter description).

This is Agape love. This kind of love is the same kind of love God lavishes upon us. It is the love that allowed him to send his son to die on that cross in our place. He sent his only begotten son to die for us in spite of us not loving him, in spite of our sins, in spite of our hating God, in spite of every single thing you can think of that would make you not deserve it.

Agape has NOTHING to do with spite, my friend.

 

[RMDY]

Agape has NOTHING to do with spite, my friend.

Agape love is showing love in spite of what you do. God loves you even though you are not perfect, unworthy of His Son dying on the cross. This is unconditional, perfect love.

Agape love is not showing love through sexuality. I love my girlfriend because of eros and phileo and agape love. Eros is the one that I am kinda trying to not focus on right now so I won't lust for her, but phileo is the kind I am more looking at in terms of being her boyfriend, since I plan to marry her in the future.

 

[RMDY]

Here is a good example. My brother can be a dick at times, and he accused me of things, and he can be a jerk. But I love him so much and in spite of what he does, despite what he does, I forgive him, even if he doesn't ask for it and if he died, I would mourn for him so much. I love him unconditionally.

This is to not be confused with sexuality.



Another example.

When I was in grade 11, I was charged with two counts of sexual assault. I was found innocent after two years of trial and put into debt. My reputation was slandered and I nearly went to jail. I suffered so much. I got depressed. I almost failed in high school. She was a close friend of my family and as a result I lost one of my best friends, which was her brother. Yet, I forgive her, unconditionally for what she has done. I still love her, despite what she did to me. I forgive her. I couldn't do this except when I decided to follow God. At first, I did it because of my girlfriend, who was a christian, but when I devoted myself to God last year, this kind of agape love manifested in me, making it possible to completely forgive her and want to be friends with her again.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Agape love is showing love in spite of what you do. God loves you even though you are not perfect, unworthy of His Son dying on the cross. This is unconditional, perfect love.

Agape love is not showing love through sexuality. I love my girlfriend because of eros and phileo and agape love. Eros is the one that I am kinda trying to not focus on right now so I won't lust for her, but phileo is the kind I am more looking at in terms of being her boyfriend, since I plan to marry her in the future.

I do not disagree that it is unconditional and perfect.

But to then modify it with "in spite of" is a human construction, and (in my opinion) has nothing to do with how God loves us. (Of course it has plenty to do with how we treat one another.)

But, whatever our disagreement on that little term, I will totally uphold your main point about God's unconditional love. Thanks and praise to God for this most amazing gift to us all!

 

[Ohioprof]

For starters, the confused sexual attraction.

Nothing confused about it. Same-sex attraction plain and simple and clear.

 

[Ohioprof]

Here is a good example. My brother can be a dick at times, and he accused me of things, and he can be a jerk. But I love him so much and in spite of what he does, despite what he does, I forgive him, even if he doesn't ask for it and if he died, I would mourn for him so much. I love him unconditionally.

This is to not be confused with sexuality.



Another example.

When I was in grade 11, I was charged with two counts of sexual assault. I was found innocent after two years of trial and put into debt. My reputation was slandered and I nearly went to jail. I suffered so much. I got depressed. I almost failed in high school. She was a close friend of my family and as a result I lost one of my best friends, which was her brother. Yet, I forgive her, unconditionally for what she has done. I still love her, despite what she did to me. I forgive her. I couldn't do this except when I decided to follow God. At first, I did it because of my girlfriend, who was a christian, but when I devoted myself to God last year, this kind of agape love manifested in me, making it possible to completely forgive her and want to be friends with her again.

Oh, John. I'm so sorry to hear about your ordeal. I'm glad you've been able to move forward with your life, forgive the person who accused you, and be strong in your faith. My best to you.

 

[RMDY]

I do not disagree that it is unconditional and perfect.

But to then modify it with "in spite of" is a human construction, and (in my opinion) has nothing to do with how God loves us. (Of course it has plenty to do with how we treat one another.)

But, whatever our disagreement on that little term, I will totally uphold your main point about God's unconditional love. Thanks and praise to God for this most amazing gift to us all!

I actually got the "in spite of" line from Bill Bright, which is where I learned about those three greek definitions of love.

What I am saying is "Even though you sin, and even though you may hate God, and even though you may be rebellious, and even though you may deserve death according to the Law of Moses or even for a simple thing such as dishonoring your parents, God still loves you and wants you unconditionally. Even though you disobey God knowingly, might have an abortion, may even murder someone in cold blood and deserve death, God showed his love unconditionally by sending his Son to die on that cross.

That "In Spite Of" is a line I am using to say "Even though....."

I hope this clears up misunderstanding =)


Basically none of us deserve God's love.


Oh! Did I forget to mention our righteousness outside of Christ is like filthy rags? =)

 

[RMDY]

Oh, John. I'm so sorry to hear about your ordeal. I'm glad you've been able to move forward with your life, forgive the person who accused you, and be strong in your faith. My best to you.

No problem. I was just using an example of what I believe agape love is. Often I fall short of it every day. Most of the love I show is phileo. But as the Word continues to grow, I look forward to this agape love growing where I can love everyone unconditionally.

"I can do all things through him who gives me Strength."

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I actually got the "in spite of" line from Bill Bright, which is where I learned about those three greek definitions of love.

What I am saying is "Even though you sin, and even though you may hate God, and even though you may be rebellious, and even though you may deserve death according to the Law of Moses or even for a simple thing such as dishonoring your parents, God still loves you and wants you unconditionally. Even though you disobey God knowingly, might have an abortion, may even murder someone in cold blood and deserve death, God showed his love unconditionally by sending his Son to die on that cross.

That "In Spite Of" is a line I am using to say "Even though....."

I hope this clears up misunderstanding =)


Basically none of us deserve God's love.


Oh! Did I forget to mention our righteousness outside of Christ is like filthy rags? =)

I am glad that you have found God's unconditional love, brother. And I am so sorry to hear about the ordeal that you went through. Of course, it is just like God to bring a beautiful, fruitful relationship out of it - and that is glorious.

I won't travel down the road of "in spite" and "filthy rags." There are people that need to constantly remind others that they are unworthy of God's love. Bill Bright sounds like one of those. To keep harping on the unworthiness is to miss a certain measure of God's love. Why not just humbly, gratefully accept it?

 

[RMDY]

He has a good reputation among Christian authors and his books are very enlightening.

I am glad that you have found God's unconditional love, brother

Sadly, it hasn't been until recently that I realized I lack agape and am abundant in phileo. One year ago when I joined these forums I was lacking phileo too but abundant in eros love

 

[Ohioprof]

He has a good reputation among Christian authors and his books are very enlightening.



Sadly, it hasn't been until recently that I realized I lack agape and am abundant in phileo. One year ago when I joined these forums I was lacking phileo too but abundant in eros love

LOL.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

He has a good reputation among Christian authors and his books are very enlightening.



Sadly, it hasn't been until recently that I realized I lack agape and am abundant in phileo. One year ago when I joined these forums I was lacking phileo too but abundant in eros love

Good on ya, bro.

 

[LunarPlexus]

I do not disagree that it is unconditional and perfect.

But to then modify it with "in spite of" is a human construction, and (in my opinion) has nothing to do with how God loves us. (Of course it has plenty to do with how we treat one another.)

But, whatever our disagreement on that little term, I will totally uphold your main point about God's unconditional love. Thanks and praise to God for this most amazing gift to us all!

Just like to thank you for saying that.

It is how I would like to view god.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Nothing confused about it. Same-sex attraction plain and simple and clear.

Sexual attraction is like physical pain, a sensation in the brain. Because you are attracted to the same sex, against the laws of nature, I consider that confused. Let's say that I had a craving for eating cardboard over chocolate. That would not be normal.

It is kind of like a person who has lost a leg and the mind gives the phantom sensation of it being there.

 

[beechy]

Sexual attraction is like physical pain, a sensation in the brain. Because you are attracted to the same sex, against the laws of nature, I consider that confused. Let's say that I had a craving for eating cardboard over chocolate. That would not be normal.

It is kind of like a person who has lost a leg and the mind gives the phantom sensation of it being there.

What is a "law of nature"?

 

[LunarPlexus]

Sexual attraction is like physical pain, a sensation in the brain. Because you are attracted to the same sex, against the laws of nature, I consider that confused. Let's say that I had a craving for eating cardboard over chocolate. That would not be normal.

It is kind of like a person who has lost a leg and the mind gives the phantom sensation of it being there.

This holds no water.

The supposed "Laws of nature" in relation to sexuality only mean that people of the same sex aren't able to reproduce through intercourse.

There is no proof of it being a "Law of nature" that people can't be attracted to the same sex. People are, hence it is part of nature.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Sexual attraction is like physical pain, a sensation in the brain. Because you are attracted to the same sex, against the laws of nature, I consider that confused. Let's say that I had a craving for eating cardboard over chocolate. That would not be normal.

It is kind of like a person who has lost a leg and the mind gives the phantom sensation of it being there.

There is no confusion whatsoever.

Why are you so threatened that there are people who are different from you?

From whence comes your irrational fear which makes you labels those who differ as "confused" or "not natural?"

 

[Brieuse]

Sexual attraction is like physical pain, a sensation in the brain. Because you are attracted to the same sex, against the laws of nature, I consider that confused. Let's say that I had a craving for eating cardboard over chocolate. That would not be normal.

It is kind of like a person who has lost a leg and the mind gives the phantom sensation of it being there.

Love is more than a sensation.

It's an emotional, spiritual, and physical desire. It also cannot only be limited to feelings and primarily involves actions.

For an interesting read, look up Plato's Symposium.