Garden of Eden

[Mallon]

I think too that the Cherubims and the flaming sword were symbolic: that the way, or path, to the tree of (eternal) life could not be 'freely eaten' and would now come only through the sacrifice of Christ.

What is it, specifically, about the description of the Garden being guarded by a cherubim and flaming sword that makes you think they are symbolic? Why do you not also think the story of the Garden of Eden is symbolic?

 

[Mallon]

I don't have any other way to answer the question. And the one I said is at least acceptable in theoretical science. If paradise were the Garden, then Christian who died could get in. In that case, I am not sure what are the cherubs doing at the gate. May be to stop non-Christians.

Interestingly, your appeal to the multiverse hypothesis in order to defend your view is similar to the atheist appeal to the multiverse hypothesis in order to discount the strong anthropic principle. All this despite the fact that there is really no good evidence for a multiverse.

 

[juvenissun]

Interestingly, your appeal to the multiverse hypothesis in order to defend your view is similar to the atheist appeal to the multiverse hypothesis in order to discount the strong anthropic principle. All this despite the fact that there is really no good evidence for a multiverse.

Well, this illustrates a common feature that theist and atheist see the same thing, but have contrastive belief. To understand the nature of time may be a good way to appreciate the possibility of multiverse.

There is no good evidence of spirit either.

 

[hatsoff]

Where is it?

When did it disappear off the earth?

I think there is a possibility that the non-existence of the Garden of Eden in the present day suggests that the reading of Genesis 2 shouldn't be an extreme literalistic reading.

Any thoughts?

Supposedly the deluge destroyed Eden.

 

[Mallon]

Well, this illustrates a common feature that theist and atheist see the same thing, but have contrastive belief. To understand the nature of time may be a good way to appreciate the possibility of multiverse.

There is no good evidence of spirit either.

Maybe not scientific evidence. But at least the Bible makes plenty of mention of spirits and spirituality. It says nothing about the Garden of Eden being magically whisked off to Dimension X with Krang and Rock Soldiers.

 

[cCensor]

Where is it?

When did it disappear off the earth?

I think there is a possibility that the non-existence of the Garden of Eden in the present day suggests that the reading of Genesis 2 shouldn't be an extreme literalistic reading.

Any thoughts?

I see from all the post here that there was no garden or it is in a different world.

Or it is where Jesus took the thief on the cross.

Our out look of a garden is what we could tend. But I am sure is was big. Most likely it was taken a way with flood, but it was there at one time. If you can not believe that then toss your bible in the trash.

You can not take parts of God's word and make it a truth, with out making your self God.

Censor

 

[Mallon]

Most likely it was taken a way with flood, but it was there at one time. If you can not believe that then toss your bible in the trash.

But why?
The firmament isn't real, yet we haven't thrown the Bible out. Stars don't literally fall to earth, yet we haven't thrown the Bible out. Rabbits don't chew their cud, yet we haven't thrown the Bible out.
Why toss the Bible in the trash if the Garden of Eden never literally existed?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What is it, specifically, about the description of the Garden being guarded by a cherubim and flaming sword that makes you think they are symbolic? Why do you not also think the story of the Garden of Eden is symbolic?

I think the symbolism, or whatever literary device is used, is the most important thing about the story. Whether it was literally true or not isn't really that important compared to the knowledge it was intended to convey.

The creation of woman from the rib of man for example has a special and profound meaning that obviously cannot be learned from the literal account. However, the literal account must be kept in mind when attempting to learn deep meanings. But, many are hesitant to leave the safety of the literal account, fearing error at best and heresy at worst. I believe it to be a true mystery that must be solved using all the clues available. God hasn't made it easy. Recall that God hides things; Kings (that be us) discover them.

owg

 

[picnic]

Supposedly the deluge destroyed Eden.

But we have no evidence that happened. Also we know the tree of life still exists in Revelation so that wasn't destroyed.

 

[Seve]

Where is it?

When did it disappear off the earth?

I think there is a possibility that the non-existence of the Garden of Eden in the present day suggests that the reading of Genesis 2 shouldn't be an extreme literalistic reading.

Any thoughts?

Based on my own understanding of the Genesis, the garden of Eden was situated on the first heaven made on the 2nd day - surrounded by midst of waters above and below it - which was completely destroyed by the universal flood during the time of Noah.

I believe, there were numerous worlds made during the creation process:

Gen. 1:6-8 documents that the 1st Firmament or Heaven was made on the 2nd Day - Garden of Eden.
Gen. 2:4-5 documents that the 2nd (our world) and 3rd Heavens were made on the 3rd Day (New Jerusalem).


IOW, Scripture documents that there are 3 Heavens (kosmos or worlds) -- Read ll Peter 3:5-7 which explain how God spoke of the world that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, Perished. (Greek-Destroyed, Totally). Our present world were made on the 3rd day. Revelation 21:1-2 document us another world (New Jerusalem) where all Christians will live when this present world is totally destroyed by fire as prophecied in the Scripture.

Just my humble opinion based on the Scripture.

God Bless

 

[gluadys]

Gen. 1:6-8 documents that the 1st Firmament or Heaven was made on the 2nd Day - Garden of Eden.

Show me how you find this documentation in those verses.

Gen. 2:4-5 documents that the 2nd (our world) and 3rd Heavens were made on the 3rd Day (New Jerusalem).

Ditto.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Based on my own understanding of the Genesis, the garden of Eden was situated on the first heaven made on the 2nd day - surrounded by midst of waters above and below it - which was completely destroyed by the universal flood during the time of Noah.

I believe, there were numerous worlds made during the creation process:

Gen. 1:6-8 documents that the 1st Firmament or Heaven was made on the 2nd Day - Garden of Eden.
Gen. 2:4-5 documents that the 2nd (our world) and 3rd Heavens were made on the 3rd Day (New Jerusalem).


IOW, Scripture documents that there are 3 Heavens (kosmos or worlds) -- Read ll Peter 3:5-7 which explain how God spoke of the world that THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, Perished. (Greek-Destroyed, Totally). Our present world were made on the 3rd day. Revelation 21:1-2 document us another world (New Jerusalem) where all Christians will live when this present world is totally destroyed by fire as prophecied in the Scripture.

Just my humble opinion based on the Scripture.

God Bless

Before the earth we have was created in gen 1 there was Earth as a rock garden which had lucifer ruling over it in ezek 28

earth is where Satan throne is!

and Yes there was two world wide floods... both were judgements
one on Satan
the other on man