Gap theory

[Biblewriter]

If this be true, then one must admit that God had no intention of perfection in his creation but built into his creation the second law of thermal dynamics.The next question is "why"?

The Bible never even suggests "perfection" in creation. It says "it was very good." (Genesis 1:31)

The second law of thermodynamics is an observed law that works in every condition in which it has been tested. Not even one exception has been found, which very strongly suggests that no exception will even be found.

If this is indeed a law of nature, and it is unreasonable to suggest that it is not, then it was designed by God.

You say why? The physical universe that we live and operate in was not designed to last forever. That was not its intent. This is not opinion, but is explicitly stated in scripture.

"And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail." (Hebrews 1:10-12)

"But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." (2 Peter 3:7)


So the second law of thermodynamics was perfectly acceptable as an operating principle.

 

[JDS]

I'm a big KJV guy, but it is very obvious that the KJV is just a translation by men..and prone to error.....and the men who translated it, wrote a letter to the king, saying as much. by your words, you are trusting some men's translationsn from four centuries ago. I see very many apparent contradictions, until one goes to the original languages and sees that there is no contradiction......but you are right about one thing, we must eventually trust someones opinion....Strong Murray Bullinger and Ginsburg are the ones I trust


example....thou shalt not kill....

but many biblical figures kill people...God Himself kills many too.



hebrew translation is criminal homcide....1st degree murder...lie in wait and plan a terrible thing. No contradiction.

From now on I am not taking you seriously unless and until you use the authority that you believe is from God from heaven. I am not trusting my soul to the opinion of men and if that is all you have you have disqualified yourself from being my teacher. I am not interested in men trying to prove something from a bible they admit they think is corrupt. It might make sense to you but it doesn't to me.

 

[JDS]

The Bible never even suggests "perfection" in creation. It says "it was very good." (Genesis 1:31)

The second law of thermodynamics is an observed law that works in every condition in which it has been tested. Not even one exception has been found, which very strongly suggests that no exception will even be found.

If this is indeed a law of nature, and it is unreasonable to suggest that it is not, then it was designed by God.

You say why? The physical universe that we live and operate in was not designed to last forever. That was not its intent. This is not opinion, but is explicitly stated in scripture.

"And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail." (Hebrews 1:10-12)

"But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." (2 Peter 3:7)


So the second law of thermodynamics was perfectly acceptable as an operating principle.

The implications of your post are mind boggling. If Hebrews 1 were to have been written anytime prior to the fall of Adam, then you would have a case, but it was not, it was written centuries later. God cursed the creation because of Adam's fall. Aging was one of the results. Adam was not created to die. He was created to live. He willingly chose to die.

 

[Biblewriter]

The implications of your post are mind boggling. If Hebrews 1 were to have been written anytime prior to the fall of Adam, then you would have a case, but it was not, it was written centuries later. God cursed the creation because of Adam's fall. Aging was one of the results. Adam was not created to die. He was created to live. He willingly chose to die.

But the purpose of the ages was already in place before the foundation of the world. God did not plan our sin, but He knew it would happen and planned a solution for our sins before they ever began.

"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you." (1 Peter 1:18-20)

This scripture clearly shows that our salvation in Christ was already planned before the foundation of the world.

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will." (Ephesians 1:3-4)

This scripture again explicitly says that God had already chosen us for salvation from our sins before the foundation of the world.

"But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus." (Ephesians 2:4-7)

And this scripture tells us that the reason for all this is outside of us. The purpose of all this is to demonstrate "the exceeding riches of his grace" through "his kinbdness toward us." But the time for which this demonstration is planned is "in the ages to come."

 

[JDS]

But the purpose of the ages was already in place before the foundation of the world. God did not plan our sin, but He knew it would happen and planned a solution for our sins before they ever began.

"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you." (1 Peter 1:18-20)

This scripture clearly shows that our salvation in Christ was already planned before the foundation of the world.

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will." (Ephesians 1:3-4)

This scripture again explicitly says that God had already chosen us for salvation from our sins before the foundation of the world.

"But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus." (Ephesians 2:4-7)

And this scripture tells us that the reason for all this is outside of us. The purpose of all this is to demonstrate "the exceeding riches of his grace" through "his kinbdness toward us." But the time for which this demonstration is planned is "in the ages to come."

I would remind you that the things before the foundation of the world were "mysteries" and they were hidden "from" the foundation of the world.

Mt 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

The church is said to be a hidden mystery. 1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Why is it important to know this? Because these mysteries required special revelation that could be received no other way. A parson could not ever learn them from studying the OT scriptures although the doctrines of the mysteries are hidden in its pages in types.

The wisdom of God is such that foreknowledge does not equate to pre-determine and fore-ordination of Jesus Christ does not mean that he created men to sin so he can carry out a plan. If Adam and Eve would have passed the test, which they could have, then these mysteries would have never been revealed. Such is the wisdom of God. I am not buying into fatalism. Men and angels were created with free will.

The foreknowledge of God is a doctrine associated with Jesus Christ who was fore ordained to carry out his purpose in preparing a people unto glory, (predestination if you will}, the church, in this age because of the failure of man. It was not his will for Israel to reject him but God knows all things by one eternal act of knowing. If God had prophecied the church in the OT then it would have had to come to pass The offer of the kingdom to Israel in fulfillment of OT prophecies was a real and legitimate offer and had she received her Messiah and saviour, history would of necessity have been written differently. The gentiles were graffed in to provoke Israel to jealousy because of her "unbelief" and the mysteries began to be revealed. The mystery of the partial blindness of Israel and the believing remant according to the election of grace and the mystery of Christ, the theme of the epistle to the Ephesians, which pertained to the believing gentiles.

What is on display in this age with the church is not a fatalistic oger that some false religions present to us, but the magnificent wisdom, kindness, long-sufferering, patience, and grace of an all wise God in spite of all the sin and rejection of man.

 

[JDS]

What if God did create the earth void and waste with darkness on the face of the deep for the purpose of typical teaching? Is that possible?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Jesus Christ came on the 4th 1000 year day, of human history, as God equates time, the same day that God made the sun, moon, and stars, the 4th day of creation. There were days and there was light in the world before the sun was set in the heavens but there was no life. The purpose of the sun and the moon is said to rule over the day and the night and to give light upon the earth and to divide the light from the darkness. Jesus Christ said about himself in Jn 8:12; I am the light of the world; he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. It is reported in Jn 1:4 (as weird as it may sound) that in him was life and the life was the light of men. It is said about the church in 2 Co 4:6; But God who commandeth the light to shine out of darkness has shined in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. The lesser light , the moon, typifies the church of Jesus Christ and reflects his light in the darkness. No one can live on this planet without the sun. In Mal 4:2 Jesus Christ is actually called the "SUN" of righteousness. "But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall." Surely the saying is true that the Life is the Light of men.

There is much more to the scriptures than what initially appears on the surface. An infinite God with an infinite mind wrote it.

 

[zeke37]

From now on I am not taking you seriously unless and until you use the authority that you believe is from God from heaven. I am not trusting my soul to the opinion of men and if that is all you have you have disqualified yourself from being my teacher. I am not interested in men trying to prove something from a bible they admit they think is corrupt. It might make sense to you but it doesn't to me.

we are each others teachers...and then we should search the scriptures to see if these things are true or not...

and no offense, but there are English translation errors...many of them. There are no errors in His Word, but there certainly is in man's interpretation, and translation of His Word.

and the KJV is by far my favorite version...but going back to the original languages, is far more precise than a translation, of a translation, of a translation...

almost all English versions today, were translated from a translation... Septuagint

 

[RND]

Do you believe there is a "gap" in time of unknown length between Gen 1:1 and 1:2.

No. I don't.