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Dannager said:I'm wearing a tin foil hat. I am protected.
I can't trust anything you say. You aren't protected. You may be trying to manipulate me!Willtor said:Actually, if I recall, the latest research indicates that a tin foil hat only amplifies signals. That's why I never wear tin foil hats (no matter how stylish they make me).
Dannager said:I can't trust anything you say. You aren't protected. You may be trying to manipulate me!
Pats said:See that! It's a black jet hanging out over Wiltor's house.
Wiltor, how can you spread such things about the AFDB????
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
Mallon said:Myself, I see Gap Theory as a bit of a cop-out. It seems to have arisen out of the necessity to account for the old age of the earth, as geology has found it. And yet, GT subscribers continue to hold to a literal Creation account in Genesis, rejecting the theory of evolution out of hand. This sort of picking-and-chosing of only those scientific principles that don't contradict the Bible seems a might bit dishonest to me. What do others think?
The assumption is that this means He created this at this time although it doesn't really say that. More of a resurrection event.Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Lion of God said:Gap Theory proponents have been around for a few thousand years. It is not a theory that came about because of geology,but may have motivated some geologists to look for evidence of it.
At its core the Gap theorizes that there have been successive extinction/creation events over a long period of time. Every new creation event had God fine tuning the biological diversity to what we see in this particular one. The last extinction event took place at the Pleistocene - Holocene boundary when much mega-fauna that should have been best adapted to survive went extinct. God then re-populated the Earth 6000 years ago with only some the plants and animals from the previous creation. "after their kinds". Notice too
The assumption is that this means He created this at this time although it doesn't really say that. More of a resurrection event.
Gap theory evidence comes from a wide range of sources that requires an open mind with no preconceived notions. As the model fleshes out, the truth of it becomes more and more apparent.
shernren said:Let me just get some chronology in place to frame your origins theology ... it all seems hazy to me right now because I don't have any definite timeframes to deal with.
So God created angels, and the universe, 13.5 billion years ago.
He created the earth 4.5 billion years ago.
Lucifer and gang rebelled 6,000 years ago.
God almost immediately punished and bound them and sent them down to earth, 6,000 years ago.
Then God "recreated" the earth as "stated" in Genesis, 6,000 years ago.
Am I getting you right?
Not my numbers.
But being less esoteric, 360 is hardly a perfect number. Why? Because a year which is 360 days would still cause weekly precession - the tendency for every year to start on a different day, and therefore for every numbered date to have a different day each year. As a kid I kept noticing that every year started a day ahead - if Jan 1 last year was on Tuesday, Jan 1 this year would be on Wednesday - except for on leap years, and I got quite into perpetual calendars which would tell you the day of any year. And your 360-day year would have a similar problem, wouldn't it? You know what the perfect number would be, considering that? 364 days, or a neat 52 weeks. Never need to look at a calendar ever again - January 1 would be a Monday, February 27 would always be a Saturday, etc.
364 is good too.
So, do you have biblical proof that God intended the earth to have 360 days' worth of a year? Do you have biblical (and scientific) proof that God intended the earth to have a perpendicular axis? Do you have biblical proof that God intended a different orbit for the moon? Do you have biblical proof that the earth was originally a home for angels? Do you have biblical proof that angels even have physical bodies?
I just don't like 365 1/2 days. Regards angels: I have the same kind of 'proof' that evolutionists use.
Or is this all a figment of an overactive imagination?
This is a product of an active mind seeking answers to questions long ignored.
oldwiseguy, you're espousing a philosophy of perfection that is different from perfection in the Christian sense. Perfection, in light of God, does not necessitate whole numbers in mathematical equations. It does not require inactivity on the surface of the Earth. If anything, it is quite the opposite. God is pleased to move in these things. The quandaries, perplexities, and intricacies of nature are a result of (not an affront to) God's creative work
shernren said:I can't understand your fixation with 360. What's so significant about 360? It is just a coincidence that the Babylonians came up with the notion that the circle has 360 degrees in it. Interestingly, I have little to no idea where that came from. But my point is that 360 is a man-made number. There is nothing inherently perfect about it.
Seriously, though, perfect numbers are far more a Gnostic concept than a Christian one, the idea of hidden knowledge apart from the Bible. What are the numbers of the Bible? We have 3 - the Trinity, 6 - the number of creation and man, 7 - the perfect number of God, 12 - the number of God's assembly, 40 - the number of the wilderness, 70 - the number of God's thoroughness. Even if one could make up a numerology from the Bible it would be next to impossible to quantify 360 in it as any number of God.
Willtor said:oldwiseguy, you're espousing a philosophy of perfection that is different from perfection in the Christian sense. Perfection, in light of God, does not necessitate whole numbers in mathematical equations. It does not require inactivity on the surface of the Earth. If anything, it is quite the opposite. God is pleased to move in these things. The quandaries, perplexities, and intricacies of nature are a result of (not an affront to) God's creative work.
Lion of God said:At its core the Gap theorizes that there have been successive extinction/creation events over a long period of time. Every new creation event had God fine tuning the biological diversity to what we see in this particular one. The last extinction event took place at the Pleistocene - Holocene boundary when much mega-fauna that should have been best adapted to survive went extinct.
God then re-populated the Earth 6000 years ago with only some the plants and animals from the previous creation. "after their kinds".
Gap theory evidence comes from a wide range of sources that requires an open mind with no preconceived notions. As the model fleshes out, the truth of it becomes more and more apparent.
oldwiseguy said:I just don't like 365 1/2 days.
gluadys said:.
They must have known that the numbering was approximate, not exact. At some point strict lunar calendars were replaced by sol-lunar calendars which added intercalary days annually to account for the extra five days in a true solar year, or, as in Hebrew usage, a whole extra month every few years to bring the calendar back in line with the solar year.
It makes sense. But it is a little off. The only way the great balance found in the numbers could be off is if the earth moved slightly from a previous orbit, that reflected this balance. Lucifer and his angels striking the earth at the speed of light (E=mc2) would account for the awkward tilt, the slight out-of-orbit, and the vast destruction of the earth.
LewisWildermuth said:I wonder if oldwiseguy realizes that he is spouting classical Greek ideals of perfection, not Biblical views.
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