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What about Hubble. That is how we determine the age of the universe. There is an unknown, we do not know if the expansion rate has been consistent. Science says we can not go faster then light. So according to the known scientific laws the universe could not have expanded faster then the speed of light. The faster you go the heavier matter gets.I'll just stick to my premise that Science is entirely out of it's element when trying to recreate historical events from evidence.
We are fixated on Lucy because of the bipedal transition claim. That is why Lucy has a baby and Lucy has a grandfather. Because you can generate some discussion when you talk about Lucy. What I want to know is how did Lucy defend herself. After all the theory is that bipedal frees up the hands for tools and weapons. This is suppose to be an important step in evolution. So if Lucy came down out of the trees how did Lucy deal with the animals on the ground that wanted to eat her or steal her lunch money. Let me add for the people who like to say I do not know nothing about science. Just because I reject their nonsense does not mean I have not studied it to know what I am rejecting and do not accept as being true. Bottom line variation is not evolution. God does not roll the dice because He says He knows the end from the beginning. That is why so many future events can be known. Esp if your name is Warren Buffet who made his money based on his ability to predict the future.Why are you so fixated on Lucy? We have many other fossils of A. afarensis, you know.
I'll just stick to my premise that Science is entirely out of it's element when trying to recreate historical events from evidence.
A claim substantiated by more fossils than just Lucy.We are fixated on Lucy because of the bipedal transition claim.
How did she defend herself? With tooth and claw, I'd imagine. And if she died, well, that's just the circle of life. The question is whether she could have survived long enough to breed. And, arguably, she did: there are many recovered individuals of A. afarensis, so they were a successful species (for a time).That is why Lucy has a baby and Lucy has a grandfather. Because you can generate some discussion when you talk about Lucy. What I want to know is how did Lucy defend herself. After all the theory is that bipedal frees up the hands for tools and weapons. This is suppose to be an important step in evolution. So if Lucy came down out of the trees how did Lucy deal with the animals on the ground that wanted to eat her or steal her lunch money.
Yes, it is. Evolution is any variation in allele frequency in a population over time. Natural selection preferentially favours variation that benefits the host, and excises variation that is detrimental. Therefore, evolution and natural selection lead to increasingly well-adapted and complicated organisms.Bottom line variation is not evolution.
Playing the odds is not the same as divination. The funny thing is, the "God has a plan but won't tell anyone" claim and the "There isn't any God at all" claim both yield the same prediction: absolute silence.God does not roll the dice because He says He knows the end from the beginning. That is why so many future events can be known. Esp if your name is Warren Buffet who made his money based on his ability to predict the future.
God tells us His plan in the Bible. Noah preached about the flood for years but no one would listen to him.The funny thing is, the "God has a plan but won't tell anyone" claim and the "There isn't any God at all" claim both yield the same prediction: absolute silence.
An event only recorded in the Bible, conveniently. And yet, where was God when he sent other floods and earthquakes? Where was God when the Twin Towers were destroyed? He seems to have lost his remarkable ability to forewarn us of danger.God tells us His plan in the Bible. Noah preached about the flood for years but no one would listen to him.
That would have been David Wilkerson that covered that event. He has some future prophecy for NYC also before he died. NYC will end up very much like the recent events in Haiti. Of course that sort of stuff has been prophecy in the moves for a very long time. What was amazing was the events in Japan. We had just seen the 2012 movie and the impression was something like that could never happen. Then the next thing I see on TV it was indeed happening in Japan. Just like the movie. So God did indeed warn people. The Left Behind books have been on the best seller list for a long time.Where was God when the Twin Towers were destroyed?
An event only recorded in the Bible, conveniently. And yet, where was God when he sent other floods and earthquakes? Where was God when the Twin Towers were destroyed? He seems to have lost his remarkable ability to forewarn us of danger.
God tells us His plan in the Bible.
Yeah, we should quit thinking. It is really just a waste of time to try and figure it out. God takes care of the birds and they do not have to put any effort into it. So why should we worry about it.that people continue to think
Yeah, we should quit thinking. It is really just a waste of time to try and figure it out. God takes care of the birds and they do not have to put any effort into it. So why should we worry about it.
Yeah, we should quit thinking.
No. I'm saying it's mighty odd that God is willing to forewarn us about a flood, but not 9/11. Arguments about free will and how God wouldn't intervene, are negated: God is evidently quite willing to intervene when he issues various warnings in the OT stories (Don't eat the fruit, build an ark, the ten commandments, etc). God was quite vocal way back when, but he's conspicuously silent now. Even those who claim he speaks to them can't offer anything tangible to substantiate their divine revelation - it's all ifs and buts and maybes and vagaries.Are you saying that God doesn't exist because there is evil in the world?
That video is rather distasteful. It appears he's saying pain and suffering are either subjective and inconsequential (playing down international inequalities in quality of living as simply culture shock) or a necessary consequence (earthquakes are a necessary and unavoidable part of God's design). Both of these theodicies have rather glaring problems.Secondly, God can exist even thought there are natural disasters...
Greg Koukl - Why does God allow natural disasters? - YouTube
Really? He predicted the actual series of events of the Japanese earthquake, with dates, times, measurements, casualties, economic fallout, etc? Or was it "There will be an earthquake or tsunami in Asia"? The latter I can believe, simply because Asia is very prone to both earthquakes and tsunamis (one often causing the other). The former would be very sensational indeed - but is that, in fact, what happened?That would have been David Wilkerson that covered that event. He has some future prophecy for NYC also before he died. NYC will end up very much like the recent events in Haiti. Of course that sort of stuff has been prophecy in the moves for a very long time. What was amazing was the events in Japan. We had just seen the 2012 movie and the impression was something like that could never happen. Then the next thing I see on TV it was indeed happening in Japan. Just like the movie. So God did indeed warn people. The Left Behind books have been on the best seller list for a long time.
"Left Behind is a series of 16 best-selling novels by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, dealing with Christian dispensationalist End Times: pretribulation, premillennial, Christian eschatological viewpoint of the end of the world. "
No. The evidence I could present (and, indeed, have been presenting) for bone being part of A. afarensis relies on the same methodology that gave us the abundance of evidence of an old Earth. If you reject the latter, logically you must reject the former.seeing we disagree on the time scale of evolution is there any other evidence that this is a A Afarensis foot bone?
The moon is moving away from the Earth. So the beginning would be when the earth and the moon were in the same place at the same time. Before that point in time if there was an earth it would be a way different earth then it is now.How old do you believe the Earth to be, and why?
That's something of a non sequitur. It's entirely possible that the Moon formed a certain distance from the Earth and then began to move away. It's also possible that the Moon's current recession is not identical in either magnitude or direction to its original recession - who's to say the Moon hasn't sped up or slowed down since its formation? Indeed, who's to say the Moon didn't form anywhere near the Earth and instead was captured from afar?The moon is moving away from the Earth. So the beginning would be when the earth and the moon were in the same place at the same time.
No. The evidence I could present (and, indeed, have been presenting) for bone being part of A. afarensis relies on the same methodology that gave us the abundance of evidence of an old Earth. If you reject the latter, logically you must reject the former.
That is, for you to be consistent in your beliefs, you must reject the same science and empiricism wherever you see it, rather than pick and mix. Our disagreement, then, is far more fundamental than the species of A. afarensis. Therefore, we'll never actually come to an agreement on this specific issue while we still disagree on the fundamentals of science and established scientific knowledge.
So, let's see where we stand. I believe the Earth to be 4.5 billion years old, based on radiometric dating of terrestrial, lunar, and solar sources, on the geological column, and on the life-cycle of the Sun. How old do you believe the Earth to be, and why?
What part of Genesis states that the Earth is 6000 years old?I believe the earth to be 6 thousand years old, mainly because I take genesis literally.
What part of Genesis states that the Earth is 6000 years old?
What makes you take Genesis literally?
How do you reconcile your belief with the evidence proposed by mainstream science (radiometric data, etc)?
These questions aren't meant to pry, I'm simply trying to understand where you're coming from.
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