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Gambleing sin or not?

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SUNSTONE

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What is shorting a stock?
You simply borrow stock that you do not own (from your brokerage) and sell it with the obligation to buy it back at some point in time, to cover your short sale. You sell a stock short anticipating that the stock will go down and you will buy it at a lower price than you sold, thus making a profit. When you enter a sale order for stock you do not own, your brokerage will automatically consider it a short sale.

Some smaller brokerages may not have a large enough customer base to allow you to borrow stock to short. Some traders never short because of the unlimited risk involved. TradeWiser.com believes that traders will benefit from learning to use both long and short positions. But with that said, we also urge beginners to become profitable with long positions before going short. If you are on the right side of the market, it makes no difference whether the market goes up or down. Downtrends in the market frequently take place sharper and faster than uptrends. This happens because more traders play the market from the long side than do traders who trade both long and short. Bull markets don't continue forever, so learn to short.

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How can there be unlimited risk when shorting?
If you short a stock at $50 anticipating that it will go down to $45, but instead it goes up to $100 before you cover, then you have lost all the money you had in that stock. If it were to go up to $150 before you bought to cover your short, you would have lost twice the money you had invested.


Wow I had no idea. :D

Hey you people see the posts I tried to warn him, really I did.
 
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"You simply borrow stock that you do not own (from your brokerage) "

No, you own it. Its an formal agreement for future purchase. You own it, period. Thus it is not gambling. It is the purchase of a product, just like the antique example I gave you. You aren't saying, well I'm betting money without getting a product for it.
 
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SUNSTONE

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Originally posted by Outspoken
"You simply borrow stock that you do not own (from your brokerage) "

No, you own it. Its an formal agreement for future purchase. You own it, period. Thus it is not gambling. It is the purchase of a product, just like the antique example I gave you. You aren't saying, well I'm betting money without getting a product for it.

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Oh man your killing me! Go check your own website link, you are argueing with YOURSELF! hhahahahahahahahahaha :D

I just pasted and copied it from what you put as a link! :D
 
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SUNSTONE

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what I left out was "To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit

Thats your own definition out of your own dictionary.

Now read this from your own website link on the stock market.

"Some traders never short because of the unlimited RISK involved."

So you see the discussion isn't on wether you own the stock or not, it is wether playing the stock market is gambleing. And it says so, that it is a risk, and shortingis a very big risk.
 
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"To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit"

Yes, risk for loosing money on buying bad stock. Its not gambling. You are investing in a product that may or may not be worth anything. regardless of the outcome, you own something. that's like saying going outside when its raining is gambling because lightning might hit you. Gambling and taking a chance is not the same thing in the context of this discussion, we are talking about proper use of God's money.
 
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Originally posted by SUNSTONE
Sorry for laughing at you Outspoken.

Sometimes I get caught up in the moment, and this was one of those times.

But I am still going to win this case. :p

 

If its just about winning we can stop talking now and you can claim a win. I'm not in it for the points :)
 
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