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Galaxy rotation patterns are better explained by Birkeland currents than by dark matter.

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I had a reply from Dr. Alpaslan;
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Thanks again for taking the time to call out our suspicions about Scott's underhanded and sleezy tactics. Shame on him .. disgraceful 'professionalism'.

Obviously from Alpasian's above response, Alpasian was completely unaware that his work had been hijacked by the Scott/EU obsessions with non-existent, cosmic magic Birkeland Currents.

Furthermore, Alpasian also obviously views EU delusions with the disdain they deserve ie: no better than 'Daily Mail' level reporting!

Scott will now be known as a disgraced, but one-time semi-noted Electrical Engineer, who dabbled in topics beyond his field of expertise (with special 'thanks' to Michael for highlighting Scott's disgraces).
 
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Also, I was just reading up on IanW's link, (on Alfven's photosphere initiated coronal double layer idea), here:

Electric fields in the solar atmosphere - A review
Authors: Foukal, P. & Hinata, S.
Journal: Solar Physics (ISSN 0038-0938), vol. 132, April 1991

If I'm reading this correctly, they say (at the bottom of page 319), that:
There is more on the lack of observability aspect .. but I haven't consumed it just yet.
 
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Yes, Tusenfem first brought up this paper at ISF. For example;

International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - Problems With Magnetic Reconnection

International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - [Merged] Electric Sun Theory (Split from: CME's, active regions and high energy flares)


Then there is the recent direct observation of reconnection in a solar flare;

Direct Observation of Two-step Magnetic Reconnection in a Solar Flare
Gou, T. et al. (2017)
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/aa813d (free access)

Which is why nobody follows Alfven & Carlqvist's double layer model any more. It likely cannot happen in the first place, and direct observation confirms MR as the cause. To continue to believe in such a model is therefore nothing more than a faith-based belief, owing more to hero worship than to science.

EDIT:

I stumbled across another paper that also references Alfven & Carlqvist's model;

A SOLAR FLARE MODEL BASED ON MAGNETIC RECONNECTION BETWEEN CURRENT-CARRYING LOOPS
Melrose, D. B.
https://sydney.edu.au/science/physics/pdfs/local/melrose/flaremodel97.pdf


It would appear that Melrose's model, above, is also flawed;


Solar Flares: Magnetohydrodynamic Processes
Shibata, K. & Magara, T. (2011)
Solar Flares: Magnetohydrodynamic Processes (free access)
 
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Baiting with his persistent lies about Koberlein’s article. This has been addressed before in this forum. The article is based on the freely available literature (a PDF) that explicitly says that Sun is not fusion powered and does not give any mechanism for the observed neutrinos being generated by the electric sun. A PDF that is endorsed by Thornhill, Scott and other EU writers.
Testing the Electric Universe
The PDF claim being addressed is that neutrinos do not exist in Tom Findlay's description of the "model".
Thornhill's "model" is delusions about neutrinos being created in physically impossible electrical discharges on the surface of he Sun. Scott's "model" is delusions about neutrinos from imagined plasma pinches.

The "models" are delusional because there are enormous, undetected temperatures needed (the photosphere is not millions of degrees hot!). Even worse is that fusion produces both neutrinos and gamma rays - those gamma rays not being detected places any fusion deep within the Sun. Modeling what happens to those gamma rays using actual physics suggests that the fusion has to happen at the core of the Sun.

The "models" are delusional because they are not scientific models - they are fantasies that make no real predictions.
 
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What an inane, ridiculously stupid, unsupported, unituitive and completely unrelated comment (Mozina's) from a nobody who demonstrates complete ignorance of the reasoning for modelling electrical transmission through physical media!
 
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The "models" are delusional because they are not scientific models - they are fantasies that make no real predictions.
Hi RC ..welcome to the 'split' conversation between Michael's Reddit rant and ours.
Michael owes you an explicit apology now as Smithi/IanW has finally gotten hold of Somov in so far as his declaration that his conductors in his now-famous diagram, were indeed, intended as being solid. Michael now acknowledges Somov's response, too ..
He owes ya one after all of his abuse over your attempts to tell him that (.. what for some 10 years now?)
 
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That is interesting. Michael denied the clear English in Somov's book for many years (a chapter with a title about magnetic reconnection in vacuum and he insisted it contained plasma). Michael denied the clear physics in Somov's book for many years (the utterly impossible physics of two equal parallel currents being plasma). Now he believes a response from Somov!
 
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I scroll back and I see Michael is persisting with other years old ignorance about MRx, e.g. the ignorance that induction and magnetic connection cannot be told apart experimentally. He was told maybe a decade ago that induction has different time scales than MRx. For example, solar flares cannot be caused by induction because their timescales are too short for induction but MRx fits.

He even quotes presumably Tim Thompson showing MRx cannot be induction:
Tim Thompson was the one who cited the physics about induction/MRx timescales.
 
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A delusion that we must produce solar features in the lab: "You still can't produce a full sphere solar corona or a stable aurora based on MRX in lab, so how do you know that MRx is "more relevant" to solar physics?"

This is the solar corona which extends for millons of kilometers and is not based on MRx. The history of magnetic connection as he knows is that MRx is based on solar observations and so very relevant to solar physics. Astronomers noticed that solar flares involved magnetic fields with a neutral or null point in the 1950's. They saw that changing topology would release energy sat t a level consistent with the flares. That change in topology was labeled magnetic reconnection.

Aurora are not based on MRX.
 
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The really ignorant citation of
Chandra Shows Halo of Hot Gas Surrounding the Milky Way
Milky Way: Hydrogen halo lifts the veil of our galactic home: Astronomers find missing mass in the hydrogen halo that surrounds our home galaxy
as papers supporting a "Move the plasma and the stars will move too" electric universe fantasy. That sounds like the EU delusion that basic plasma physics can be denied - see Debye length and interstellar plasmas have a Debye length of ~10 meters!

These are the discovery of a tiny part of the solution to the missing baryon problem (finally found in 2018)
 
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An obsession and maybe lie about the The Planeterrella - Polar Light Simulation video which has popped up many times over the years.
Dr Gabrielle Provan of the University of Leicester Physics & Astronomy department demonstrates how Aurora Borealis (or the Northern Lights) are created.
It is not a simulation of the Sun. It is a more advanced than Birkeland 100 year old experiment, demonstration of Aurora Borealis.
 
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Just for a bit of clarity; Somov referred to the experiments of Anna G. Frank, in his emails to Michael. One of her papers that I managed to locate is;

Magnetic reconnection and current sheet formation in 3D magnetic configurations
Frank, A. G. (1998)
Magnetic reconnection and current sheet formation in 3D magnetic configurations - IOPscience

The paper is paywalled, but this is her Fig. 2;



As we can see, the plasma is contained in a vacuum tube, and the currents that create the magnetic fields are outside of that tube. There are no currents within the tube, other than the induced one, as explained by Somov in 1.1.4 of his book.
 
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While Michael continues with the foot in mouth classics such as attacking individuals who have user names as cowards while apparently unaware that over half his moderator associates refer to themselves as orrery, rings_of_saturn, sol1869, harry_VFX, and zyxzevn, here is more evidence that Scott’s Birkeland current/force free field nonsense is not supported by observation.

First of all some preliminaries;
The α term in the force free equation ∇ X B = αB defines the chirality of the magnetic field.
A magnetic field is chiral if its mirror image does not have the same configuration.
The magnetic force free field exists in the form of flux ropes which can have either a left or right hand twist.
Magnetic fields with a left hand twist have are sinistral chirality, right hand twist fields have a dextral chirality.

Magnetic helicity is a topological property for the twisting, writhing and linkage of magnetic fields but has a simple property for magnetic flux ropes; it has a negative value for left hand twisted ropes and a positive value for right hand twisted ropes.

One of the many flaws in Scott’s model is the examples given do not even pertain to force free fields.
Scott’s model can be tested by observing solar prominences and filaments in the Sun’s corona where the magnetic field is force free.
The prominences and filaments flow and are aligned in the magnetic flux ropes.

According to Scott’s model the solar prominence and filaments should show both sinistral and dextral chirality as a function of radius which would be consistent with “counter-rotating layers”.

This is what is found;
Observations made by TRACE.
The Magnetic Helicity Sign of Filament Chirality - IOPscience

A solar prominence and filament can either be dextral or sinistral but not both as the sign of the magnetic helicity doesn’t change.
Once again Scott’s model apart from being mathematically incoherent fails to be supported by observation.
 
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No posts on the Reddit thread for 5 days, then some unpronounceable (& unintelligible) poster mentions that some of 'your' posts were reported (Mozina's?). He then questions ianw's continued participation in the thread and goes on to tell a sob story about being his banned at AskPhysics for his own attempts at explaining Maxwell's equations!?!
He then concludes that Reddit is a paradise for trolls(?)

Is all that EU 'logic' at play? (Must be because I can't see any logic whatsoever in any of that particular post).
 
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Awsome thanks for posting, the formulas in the PDF.
 
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