Slander and libel is protected to a point by the first amendment. There is established law guiding how slander and libel work in conjunction with the first amendment.
Yup. But, per your argument, they do impose penalties on the use of free speech, just as the gag order does. So the comparison is valid. Neither are unconstitutional.
Well that's the judges excuse anyway. His gag order has been overturned.
Not overturned. Stayed, pending appeal.
Which means at least another judge disagrees with him. We'll see how it all turns out in the end.
We don't know how any of the other judges will rule yet.
I think Trump want a fair trial,
I highly doubt that. He's already been found guilty in this trial, let's not forget.
but he also wants to speak his mind when he doesn't feel like he's getting one.
He can still speak his mind. He just may have to pay if he personally attacks court personnel. But he's a rich guy, surely he can afford it, right?
Let's face it, Trump wants to be able to speak his mind on everything. And he will use his wild bombastic approach that so many can't stand.
Sure. He'll do anything he can to disrupt the proceedings and get a mistrial declared. Then he'll continue to delay, delay, delay.
SOP for him, really.
So he can't criticize THIS public official.
He can now. The appeal is still pending, so we'll have to see how it turns out.
Well gee then we can can certainly extrapolate that it would be okay to punish anyone for criticizing the president. AND our answer would be, the order doesn't prevent you from criticizing any other governmental officials just THIS one involving his decisions on THIS particular issue. Yeah I'm not seeing your logic here.
The difference is the scope. General criticism of government officials or proceedings is protected. But, the gag order specifically applies to specific individuals in a very specific court proceeding, one in which Trump is a defendant, let's not forget. Judge Engoron's goal is a fair trial, and he felt Trump personally attacking his court personnel would impede that, so he imposed the gag order. Trump's appeal stayed the order, but it was not overturned. At least, not yet.
My logic isn't at issue here, frankly. I'm just stating the facts as I see them. Personally, I feel Trump should be free to put his foot in his mouth as often and as loudly as he likes. That aids the prosecution's case immensely.
-- A2SG, he really is the prosecutor's best friend here.....