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Future sin and destined for hell

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Would God send someone to hell for a future sin they don't even know of? Like predestined for hell like Judas was.

Would he let demons torment you telling you you're going to hell for a future sin?
The person who is genuinely converted to Christ and is putting his or her trust in what Jesus did on the Cross as no fear of the future. Jesus took our whole sinfulness with Him on the Cross and gave us His righteousness. This has nothing to do with what we can do to be holy in our own strength. The guilt, punishment and power of sin has been removed from us, but the presence of sin is still there in our bodies. This is why we have to be vigilant and be aware of the deceitfulness of temptation. We are going to fall off the wagon frequently, but we have 1 John 1:9 to keep short accounts with God.

The reality is that we will always remain miserable sinners until the day we die. As long as we know this and are fully trusting Christ, we will be allowing the Holy Spirit to work sanctification in us. In the end, anything that we have done or achieved for Christ is what He has given us, and not what we have been able to achieve in ourselves. All our self-achievement is stained and corrupted with sin and therefore not acceptable to God. But the holy work that Christ has done within us will be celebrated at the Judgment.
 
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Would God send someone to hell for a future sin they don't even know of?

Huh. Does God send someone to heaven for a future repentance they don't even know of?

Would he let demons torment you telling you you're going to hell for a future sin?

Would he let angels comfort you by telling you you are going to heaven by a past Grace?

...Is the God half-empty, or half-full?
 
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Would God send someone to hell for a future sin they don't even know of? Like predestined for hell like Judas was.

Would he let demons torment you telling you you're going to hell for a future sin?
Jesus doesn't treat us like The Minority Report, He only counts what we have done.

That being said if you think for example if you lusted after someone or had plans to sin those plans are already sin so it wouldn't be a future sin of action but a past sin of planning to sin
 
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Would God send someone to hell for a future sin they don't even know of? Like predestined for hell like Judas was.
We don't know of anyone else like that from Scripture, except the Antichrist.

Would he let demons torment you telling you you're going to hell for a future sin?
I don't believe Judas had that going on, so I wouldn't consider that likely. What is far more likely, since they are in the employ of the father of lies, is that demons will plant those beliefs in people, then either move on to the next person or sit back and watch the show as the people destroy themselves. Once a human being accepts a lie is true, that person will reinforce it, even if it means abusing the self.
Either way, if a demon tells you something, it's a bad idea to consider it a trustworthy source of information.
 
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Jesus doesn't treat us like The Minority Report, He only counts what we have done.

Counts our actions? Or our hearts/natures/desires?

Is the goal really to restrain the actions?

Or is it to change the Nature
and THEN
UNRESTRAIN the actions?
 
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Counts our actions? Or our hearts/natures/desires?

Is the goal really to restrain the actions?

Or is it to change the Nature
and THEN
UNRESTRAIN the actions?
The question is what does Jesus count current sin or future sin there was no question of our nature, I'm not disagreeing with you more just saying my answer was directed at the question. Of course if we went more in depth we could talk about our nature as well :)
 
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Would God send someone to hell for a future sin they don't even know of? Like predestined for hell like Judas was.

Would he let demons torment you telling you you're going to hell for a future sin?

This is a good question, because if God were to do like minority report He could justifiably condemn an aborted child or miscarriage or stillbirth or infant death, knowing that at some point in their lives they'd sin, even if they're never given the chance to repent and come to faith.

But I take solace that God would not do that, I believe that God does not condemn the unborn for sins they would have committed had they lived to adulthood, as 2 Samuel 12 shows us

19 But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead.
20 Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the Lord, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.
21 Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether God will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

David took solace in God being good, and just, and was confident and faithful that when he died, he would reunite with his son in the presence of the Lord.

I also believe that the Lord would not convict us of sins we have not even committed yet, and then deny us the chance to repent from them.

2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

He does however, know who will never choose to repent. If they have sinned, and He knows they will never repent.. then they will die in their sins.
 
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Would God send someone to hell for a future sin they don't even know of? Like predestined for hell like Judas was.

Would he let demons torment you telling you you're going to hell for a future sin?

May I suggest two things.
One that you talk to your minister about your assurance of salvation and second
That you seek help for dealing with intrusive thoughts.
Either by self help from reading 25 tips for successfully treating your ocd. This has a very helpful section on intrusive thoughts or by seeking help from your doctor.
 
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May I suggest two things.
One that you talk to your minister about your assurance of salvation and second
That you seek help for dealing with intrusive thoughts.
Either by self help from reading 25 tips for successfully treating your ocd. This has a very helpful section on intrusive thoughts or by seeking help from your doctor.

It's schizophrenia I have actually. I'm diagnosed with schizoaffective bipolar type.
 
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It's schizophrenia I have actually. I'm diagnosed with schizoaffective bipolar type.

If you are being affected by intrusive thoughts, learn from how other people deal with them.
 
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