Funny thing about the Big Bang Theory

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I’m often amused how some at autheists point to the Big Bang Theory as evidence the universe was not created by an intelligent being, aka God.

It’s funny because the creator of the Big Bang Theory was a Christian. The theory was first proposed in 1927 by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian physicist and Roman Catholic priest.

What makes it even funnier is the fact that atheist physicists hate the Big Bang Theory, because they view it as a threat to atheism. To them, evidence that the universe had a beginning contradicts atheism, and so they try to debunk it.
 

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There could have been a big bank and a big crunch that cycle eternally.
But there is sort of no evidence even possible to support that. It's mostly folks who are uncomfortable with the idea that God created anything. They used to believe in a steady state universe, but got shown that was not correct. Now they want to believe in a pulsating universe and/or a multiverse. The idea of a universe that had a beginning, which is where things are at now scientifically, smacks of too much God for them.
 
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I’m often amused how some at autheists point to the Big Bang Theory as evidence the universe was not created by an intelligent being, aka God.

It’s funny because the creator of the Big Bang Theory was a Christian. The theory was first proposed in 1927 by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian physicist and Roman Catholic priest.

What makes it even funnier is the fact that atheist physicists hate the Big Bang Theory, because they view it as a threat to atheism. To them, evidence that the universe had a beginning contradicts atheism, and so they try to debunk it.
Good points --- all. In fact the term "big bang" was a derogatory term invented by those opposing it as being too much like the Gen 1:1 statement "in the beginning God created" . The prior theories about "steady state" and Stasis regarded the universe in a static form and matter as "eternal".
 
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There could have been a big bank and a big crunch that cycle eternally.
"could have been"... "could possibly be" .. and "thought experiment" are relied upon heavily in both certain forms of cosmology and in earth centric biological evolution stories.
 
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I also find it amusing that many Christians think that all atheists believe in the Big Bang, and that people who believe in the Big Bang are atheist. (Not saying you in particular)

Cosmology for many has nothing to with believing or disbelieving in God.
 
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"could have been"... "could possibly be" .. and "thought experiment" are relied upon heavily in both certain forms of cosmology and in earth centric biological evolution stories.
There is no data for it and really no way to have data for it. It can only be conjecture. Never more.
 
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I also find it amusing that many Christians think that all atheists believe in the Big Bang
not really sure what "other choice" the atheist has.
, and that people who believe in the Big Bang are atheist.
Well I don't think that - given that so many Christians believe in evolution not just the big bang.
Cosmology for many has nothing to with believing or disbelieving in God.
Many say that their belief in evolution has nothing to do with believing or disbelieving what the Bible says to the contrary on its doctrine on origins.
 
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[A]theist physicists hate the Big Bang theory because they view it as a threat to atheism. To them, evidence that the universe had a beginning contradicts atheism, so they try to debunk it.

Can you name just one atheist, whether a scientist or not, who regards the Big Bang model as a threat to atheism? Thank you in advance.

— DialecticSkeptic
 
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There could have been a big bang and a big crunch that cycle eternally.

It seems unlikely, even with the rudimentary science knowledge I possess. But the best explanation for why it is unlikely, in my opinion, came from Hugh Ross in his book The Creator and the Cosmos: How the Latest Scientific Discoveries Reveal God (1993):

Let me explain. The universe, before the hypothetical bounce, begins with a huge amount of space curvature and little or no matter. But, as the universe expands, space is stretched, reducing the curvature. This loss of curvature is transformed into matter and, in the process, a huge amount of entropy is generated. Because of the enormous entropy produced, the process is not reversible. Matter cannot be converted back into the needed space curvature. Thus, the universe we live in cannot be the product of oscillation even if the bounces are hypothesized to occur in the quantum gravity era.

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not really sure what "other choice" the atheist has.
Many atheists took the idea of a big bang with a lot of skepticism. They had traditionally believed in a static universe. They didn't want to believe anything that would give any credence to the idea that the universe had a beginning. That sounded suspiciously like it needed a creator.

The idea of a universe blowing up and contracting and then blowing up over and over again (for which there can be no evidence) is a way around the need for a creator. So is a multiverse (for which there can be no evidence either) where this universe is just a portion of an infinite glob of universes.

I'd say that a big bang in a solitary universe is still disquieting to atheists. Also disquieting is the possibility of the 'heat death' of the universe.
 
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I’m often amused how some at autheists point to the Big Bang Theory as evidence the universe was not created by an intelligent being, aka God.
Which atheists who have a proper understanding of the BB theory say this?
 
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What makes it even funnier is the fact that atheist physicists hate the Big Bang Theory, because they view it as a threat to atheism. To them, evidence that the universe had a beginning contradicts atheism, and so they try to debunk it.
Do you have any actual evidence for this claim?
 
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But there is sort of no evidence even possible to support that. It's mostly folks who are uncomfortable with the idea that God created anything. They used to believe in a steady state universe, but got shown that was not correct. Now they want to believe in a pulsating universe and/or a multiverse. The idea of a universe that had a beginning, which is where things are at now scientifically, smacks of too much God for them.
the multi-universe seems to be a catch-all for explaining everything science scratches its head at. Its attempts to be described as this sea of swelling bubbles to me has more questions than answers and is not sustainable, it only pushes God to greater boundaries but it certainly doesn't eliminate him.

When there is a foam of microbubbles there is a process that's called Ostwald ripening where smaller bubbles are absorbed into larger bubbles until everything pops and disappears. Go to a cafe, order a latte and let it sit, eventually, all that thick velvety milk foam will get larger and larger bubbles and eventually disappear. So is this the fate of our universe? will our universe be absorbed into larger ones, or since we are expanding does that mean we are absorbing other universes? Are we just the top of the transuniversal latte? It doesn't matter, bubbles are not sustainable and will eventually pop so that would be our fate. But what's outside the bubbles are just more questions. are all these bubbles inside another larger bubble that is in its own sea of swelling bubbles also, contained in an even larger bubble repeating forever?

Eventually, the buck needs to stop somewhere, and frankly, this culture of a forever cycle is just a "turtles all the way down" sentiment. Why is science so quick to dismiss God but yet proclaim processes that never have a beginning and simply always were? the difference between that and God seems to be not a great leap, at least philosophically. God is also eternal and without beginning but the difference is God is not his creation so he is not just a cog in a forever system, He is sentient and is separate from the system but also is the sole benefactor of the system.

Science doesn't seem to like this mic-drop argument where God is the final "buck" to which the question is asked who created God? The difference, at least philosophically, is that since God is not part of our system he is not under the laws of our system so goes by a set of different rules that may, in fact, conflict with the rules we are under. It doesn't explain why God can have no beginning but it does give a reason why the universe has a beginning and positions the universe inferior to God where rationally God is of a different substance and quality than that of the universe. So at the very least philosophically speaking God may exist in an eternal state in relation to our own universe because he doesn't exist parallel to it (like bubbles) he exists superior to it. This doesn't hold true with a continuous process of collapsing and expanding universes or a sea of swelling bubbles as outside influences are vehemently ejected (incase we are tempted to call that influence God) which is a logical problem.

In every conceivable boundary, even in the abstract, there implicitly is outside that boundary, this is innate simply by having a boundary. The moment you say something like the universe is a bubble or it's expanding/collapsing it draws a boundary that demands an outside to that boundary. Science seems to have cut out a circle from a piece of paper and focus on the circle but ignores the piece of paper with the circle-sized hole cut out.
 
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Science doesn't seem to like this mic-drop argument where God is the final "buck" to which the question is asked who created God? The difference, at least philosophically, is that since God is not part of our system he is not under the laws of our system so goes by a set of different rules that may, in fact, conflict with the rules we are under. It doesn't explain why God can have no beginning
The conclusion you draw, that God is under a different set of rules, denies who and what he is. He is, as you said, not under our set of rules —rules that he made by which this universe operates— but, being self-existent, he cannot be under any rule(s), or he is not God. ALL things were made by him, not just all things in this universe. It does explain why God can have no beginning, by very definition. He is not just super-human or bigger than the universe. He is altogether OTHER.

He is under no constraint by, nor obligation to, anything from outside himself, or he is not God. There is no 'brute fact' but God.
 
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