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Tsk,tsk...I gave you the footnotes, you find the research papers and try to refute these scientist's work!2nd April 2003 at 04:24 PM Arikay said this in Post #160
Yep those four people are mad at the lack of research that goes into some of these creationist arguments
2nd April 2003 at 04:32 PM look said this in Post #161
Tsk,tsk...I gave you the footnotes, you find the research papers and try to refute these scientist's work!
2nd April 2003 at 04:05 PM Smilin said this in Post #157
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I stand corrected,
if metallic hydrogen was formed (by this method, the Earth would be pulverized by the pressure, then cooked by the extreme heat)
Big explosion to follow....
2nd April 2003 at 04:48 PM Frumious Bandersnatch said this in Post #164
I am getting a wiff of troll here guys. How about you?
2nd April 2003 at 05:17 PM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #166
Maybe. It's worth investigating and discussing the claim for any lurkers who might think it's a valid argument. So far, it seems the claim of a metal hydrogen canopy is full of some glaring holes.
2nd April 2003 at 03:32 PM look said this in Post #161
Tsk,tsk...I gave you the footnotes, you find the research papers and try to refute these scientist's work!
2nd April 2003 at 04:35 PM look said this in Post #170
The most important thing to remember is, "What was once thought impossible, turns out to be quite possible." Just because our present technology is not capable of reproducing what God did, doesn't mean it is impossible.
That's an old paper. I found one as recently as May 2000. See link2nd April 2003 at 05:15 PM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #165
Actually, that's for the formation of liquid metal hydrogen. Solid metal hydrogen requires supercooling to about 20K.
See this article
Our calculations show that it may be possible to achieve theoretically predicted physical conditions necessary to create metallic hydrogen in such experiments. These include a density of about 1 g/cm3, a pressure of 35 Mbar, and a temperature of a few 0.1 eV.
[/B]©2000 The American Physical Society
Judging from that paper, the pressure would amount to .072 PSI and the density and temperature I don't have any idea what that would translate to in everyday terms.
2nd April 2003 at 07:03 PM Frumious Bandersnatch said this in Post #175
You're a little off on the pressure. Mbar means millions of bar. You must be thinking of mbar which means 0.001bar, so you have the required pressure low by a billion fold.
The Frumious Bandersnatch
2nd April 2003 at 06:34 PM notto said this in Post #171
And here we have the creationist U turn. We will explain what we can by using misquotes, applying bad scientific reseach, ignoring what science tells us about the world and the natural laws that govern it, and if that doesn't work, we can always say that God Did It.
Why even bother trying to come up with a rational scientific explaination for the water if the end of the argument is still going to be irrational (supernatural)? Why not just come out and say that God created the water and the flood out of thin air and then covered his tracks when he was done? At least then the argument is credible from a theological standpoint. Why make God jump through all the hoops if at the end of the "scientific" explaination, we still have a "and then a miracle happened and God changed physical laws". Why not just put that at the beginning of the explanation?
2nd April 2003 at 07:30 PM look said this in Post #177
Because a miracle is something, that is at present, out of the range of our technology. It wasn't too long ago when man (the best scientists of the time) thought travel to the moon was impossible. The same with the automobile and avaition. You should be open to possiblities, not close-minded. You have to keep in mind that our knowledge is doubling every 18 months. At that rate, it won't be long before this elusive hydrogen can be made on a mass production scale. Then what will you say? Are you going to end up as 'ignorant' as the folks who, when presented with the fact the Wright brothers succeeded in getting their plane to fly, adamantly denied it? God is so much smarter than most people give Him credit for. I'm guessing that you and most of my critics are atheists. That's ok. I'm also guessing that my suggestions of creation as described by the Genesis account would force you to revaluate your position of God, if man could prove it scientifically.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to force you to believe in God, I'm simply pointing out that as our knowledge increases, the signature of God becomes more readly apparent. I believe there is no reason we can discuss, in a civil and respectful manner, the different possibilities that are observable to us. You must realize I have not indulged in any derogatory belittlement towards anyone and I would expect the same displayed towards me.
Now, will someone please explain to me what FB meant when he said something about a troll? And lurker?
Peace
Thanks, FB. My bad. I haven't worked with physics for awhile, so I'm a little rusty!2nd April 2003 at 08:03 PM Frumious Bandersnatch said this in Post #175
You're a little off on the pressure. Mbar means millions of bar. You must be thinking of mbar which means 0.001bar, so you have the required pressure low by a billion fold.
The density of 1 g/cm3 is the same as that of water. eV = electron volts = 1.6 * 10^-19 Joule. Plasma temperatures are sometimes given in eV but I don't know how to convert it to normal terms.
The Frumious Bandersnatch
2nd April 2003 at 08:03 PM Frumious Bandersnatch said this in Post #175
You're a little off on the pressure. Mbar means millions of bar. You must be thinking of mbar which means 0.001bar, so you have the required pressure low by a billion fold.
The density of 1 g/cm3 is the same as that of water. eV = electron volts = 1.6 * 10^-19 Joule. Plasma temperatures are sometimes given in eV but I don't know how to convert it to normal terms.
The Frumious Bandersnatch
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