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Interesting. Now to clarify: Goard is not pitting Israel vs Judah, but just saying the 10 tribe unit formerly known as Israel is now so diluted as to be one of the nations, correct?
1, I mention that because there are people here who make a big thing out of Israel vs Judah (a distinction not found in Rom 9-11), and sometimes Israel vs Jacob (even though they are interchanged in 11:26).
2, if they are as diluted as he said, why would Paul spend time contrasting them so much in 11?
3, Have you found that Goard realizes Paul saw that the multitude of seed was those who had faith anyway, and never was identified with the genetic descendancy?
Exactly,as most don't no who they are,and there will come a time,as spoken of in Ezekiel,when the two shall be joined back together...
1.I don't do the "vs"thing,I just try to point out that Jew's only make up to houses,and I think one should take the time to know where the other houses are...
2.In the last three chapters and including this chapter we see part of the plan of God that reaches out to all of God's children, Israel and Gentile alike. All races are God's children, and in Christ there is salvation to all that will believe on Jesus Christ and repent of their sins in Jesus' name. We can see the love of God, and His plan to place Himself back into the hearts of His children.
The issue that is in the background of all of the chapters of Romans is, "Is God unfair?" God is working here through Paul's writing to let you and I know that He is totally fair in all His judgments. You may not understand God's reasoning, but in His plan we can see He is always just.
Israel was the chosen, because these people are the chosen through which the Seed Jesus Christ would come. That Seed Jesus Christ is the Savior of all people. Paul discussed in the last chapter that because of that promised Seed, or Christ, now all could be saved. But to Israel, the Father said, "all day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people." Romans 10:21
So now we have the response to the prior three chapters.
Romans 11:1 "I say then, hath God cast away His people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."
Here we have Paul's true genealogy. He was of the seed of Abraham, an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin. Many have taught that Paul was a Roman, and a Jew, For His father was in Rome, as a free born Roman citizen, and Paul was educated there in Rome. He was a Jew, because he lived and continued his education in the land of Judaea, and all people living in the land of Judaea were considered Jews. However, through birth and genealogy, Paul was from the tribe of Benjamin.
The House of Judah [Jews] was made up of the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin, and a small part of the Levite tribe. In time the Nethenimins and their families mixed in and completely took over the duties of the scribes and priests, as recorded in Ezra 8:15. The territory given by Joshua to Benjamin when the Children of Israel came out of the wanderings in the wilderness included Jerusalem. Jerusalem was the capital city of the nation of the House of Judah, and thus Paul would be a Jew by means of location also.
3.I see it has him saying,anyone can come to Christ regardless of race,however I think the genetic make up is still there.........
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