Fulfilling Jesus’ Command For Every Follower To Give Up All

[Isilwen]

Bible doesn’t say this that summer to be Fireman and lawyers and police officers

Simple question, are you saying that because it isn't in the Bible, that Christians shouldn't be firefighters, lawyers, or police officers?

 

[Ashley Amos]

Simple question, are you saying that because it isn't in the Bible, that Christians shouldn't be firefighters, lawyers, or police officers?

No I’m stating that Jesus said we should not seek after food drink clothing and make our lives about this and this is what the pagans do Jesus states. And what the pagans do is they make their life about their job and not about the preaching of the gospel like the disciples did. So I am stating we should be giving up our jobs and preaching the gospel And God will provide and God will provide that is the work of God that is the great commission from Jesus.

 

[Isilwen]

No I’m stating that Jesus said we should not seek after food drink clothing and make our lives about this and this is what the pagans do Jesus states. And what the pagans do is they make their life about their job and not about the preaching of the gospel like the disciples did. So I am stating we should be giving up our jobs and preaching the gospel And God will provide and God will provide that is the work of God that is the great commission from Jesus.

There is a flaw in that type of thinking. Jobs also need Christians to fill positions.

I'm an EMT. There aren't enough of us, to begin with, and many of us are Christians. IF all the Christian EMTs were to up and leave their jobs, there would be a huge shortage of EMTs and that is a problem.

Also, God is the one who put me into this field. I am extremely good at what I do. Many Christians say I have a gift as an EMT. My ability to do what I do could only come from God. So, I reject your flawed thinking in this.

Not everyone is called to drop everything and just preach the gospel.

 

[Isilwen]

On top of I have child support that needs to be paid. So, I must work or I go to jail.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No not at all I am proposing that you go and sell your possessions and give it to the poor I am coding Jesus from numerous scripture but one of them is Luke chapter 12:22 to 35 you are quoting from the book of acts. I’m not saying what they did was wrong if you wish to give it to the church give it to the church but if you wish to give it to the poor give it to the poor that is what Jesus commanded for us to do. I am in no way shape or form stating that the church will give it back to you with a poor I am clearly stating that God will provide for you as he provided for Jesus as he provided for the children of Israel in the Wilderness. You obviously lack faith in God’s provision. Please try not to put words in my mouth.

God so blessed Jesus with a garment so fine that the Roman soldiers cast lots for it. Judas had a "bag" full of money to buy stuff. Jesus owned a house in Capernaum. Jesus declined the disciples suggestion that the 'spikenard' be sold and the money given to the poor.

I have to put words in your mouth as what you are proposing is rather vague (I do this myself). For example, who are the poor that you refer to? The ones who receive vast amounts of aid through tax funded programs? What happens to these programs if there is no government revenue. And, hasn't God already provided for the poor through these means? Even in Jesus day the Roman government provided food for the poor.

 

[Albion]

I never see so many people become defensive than when I preach about how Jesus said the following statement:

Luke 14:33 - In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.

In today’s society, it is hard to imagine the practicality of this statement, however it is crucial not to deny that this is indeed, what Jesus said.

There is no indication, in Scripture, that Christ expected his closest disciples--the Apostles he specifically commissioned to take his church and Gospel to all nations--to literally give up everything. They did not do so and there is nothing in the New Testament that shows Him concerned that they did not.

 

[Ashley Amos]

There is no indication, in Scripture, that Christ expected his closest disciples--the Apostles he specifically commissioned to take his church and Gospel to all nations--to literally give up everything. They did not do so and there is nothing in the New Testament that shows Him concerned that they did not.

Of course they did peter states on behalf of the rest of the disciples we have given up everything to come and follow you. In the book of acts it states the believers acts 2:45 That the believers sold there possessions And laid it at the apostles feet. You are all meeting Luke 14:33 and Luke 12:33 and many other scriptures which state you must give up all and God will provide for you. You are conveniently reading the Bible the way you wish to read it and see it.

 

[Ashley Amos]

God so blessed Jesus with a garment so fine that the Roman soldiers cast lots for it.

Jesus said the son of man has no place to lay his head how can you say that Jesus was rich. This is evil talk. The close of Jesus were divided because of a prophecy not because they were expensive clothing. Jesus says that men with expensive clothing live in mansions and not prophets.

Luke 7:What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed swayed by the wind? 25 If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear expensive clothes and indulge in luxury are in palaces. 26 But what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet.

Your interpretation is contrary to the Bible.



Judas had a "bag" full of money to buy stuff.

At no time did I ever say that God would not provide if you had given up all. In the luke 12 Jesus says give up all and God will add to your needs which is what he did for Jesus don’t twist a word.


Jesus owned a house in Capernaum.

This is false please show me the scripture that exactly says that Jesus on the house he could’ve been renting a room because it doesn’t seem that The disciples thought much of it. Where did I ever state that you cannot rent a house and that God will not provide for your food shelter clothing description clearly states but owning and renting a two different things stop twisting the Scriptures.



Jesus declined the disciples suggestion that the 'spikenard' be sold and the money given to the poor.


You’re trying to put words in Jesus’s mouth now and state that he was rich and he didn’t need the money. Jesus was provided for by God how many times do I have to say this you just do not want to see the truth because you love your money. This was a specific act done for Jesus’s burial you were stating that he should’ve been greedy and said give me the money instead this is evil talk.

I have to put words in your mouth as what you are proposing is rather vague (I do this myself). For example, who are the poor that you refer to? The ones who receive vast amounts of aid through tax funded programs? What happens to these programs if there is no government revenue. And, hasn't God already provided for the poor through these means? Even in Jesus day the Roman government provided food for the poor.

Please show me this Roman provided assistance to the poor in the Bible. Otherwise once again you are adding to it.

 

[Isilwen]

You are conveniently reading the Bible the way you wish to read it and see it.

The same could be said of you.

 

[Ashley Amos]

On top of I have child support that needs to be paid. So, I must work or I go to jail.

Have you not read that it says God will provide this is what you lack faith in you believe that you can only earn money when you seek after it through a job you limit the power of God and his supernatural provision.

 

[Ashley Amos]

The same could be said of you.

Why would I conveniently read that I have to give a all That is foolishness you are suggesting.

 

[Isilwen]

Why would I conveniently read that I have to give a all That is foolishness you are suggesting.

Not foolishness at all. You are reading into the scriptures what you want. It doesn't say for all to do what you are saying. It was speaking of one person at that time, but you are taking it as it is for every Christian for all of time.

So yes, the same could be said of you.

 

[Isilwen]

Have you not read that it says God will provide this is what you lack faith in you believe that you can only earn money when you seek after it through a job you limit the power of God and his supernatural provision.

I lack in no faith. I am also not limiting anything. I have child support to pay. Therefore, I must work to pay that child support. You conveniently left out that God put me into this field as it doesn't coincide with your theology.

I asked you before. What computer are you using, not the internet as they are two separate things. Is the computer yours that you are using, or a cell phone, maybe a tablet?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Please show me this Roman provided assistance to the poor in the Bible. Otherwise once again you are adding to it.

I didn't say it was in the bible.

Poor Relief in Ancient Rome - Foundation for Economic Education (fee.org)

 

[Ashley Amos]

Not foolishness at all. You are reading into the scriptures what you want. It doesn't say for all to do what you are saying. It was speaking of one person at that time, but you are taking it as it is for every Christian for all of time.

So yes, the same could be said of you.

Luke 14:33 So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.


He clearly said everyone meaning no one can be his disciple unless he gives up all his own possessions. You are the one who is reading it the way you wish to see it because you love your money.

 

[Ashley Amos]

I didn't say it was in the bible.

Poor Relief in Ancient Rome - Foundation for Economic Education (fee.org)

Neither is anything else you have to say

 

[Ashley Amos]

I lack in no faith. I am also not limiting anything. I have child support to pay. Therefore, I must work to pay that child support. You conveniently left out that God put me into this field as it doesn't coincide with your theology.

It doesn’t coincide with the Bible or Jesus theology he says do not be like the pagans making your life about seeking out the money but rather preach the gospel and seek the Holy Spirit the kingdom of God first and God will add all your needs and to you you are contrary to the Scriptures



I asked you before. What computer are you using, not the internet as they are two separate things. Is the computer yours that you are using, or a cell phone, maybe a tablet?

You are omitting Luke 12 where it says God will add these things and to you once you have given up all you have not given up anything yet you claim what you have is from God you cannot do it in the reverse order.

 

[Isilwen]

Luke 14:33 So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions.


He clearly said everyone meaning no one can be his disciple unless he gives up all his own possessions. You are the one who is reading it the way you wish to see it because you love your money.

If you knew me, you would know that "because you love your money" is a false statement. So, kindly apologize as you are bearing false witness!

 

[Isilwen]

You are omitting Luke 12 where it says God will add these things and to you once you have given up all you have not given up anything yet you claim what you have is from God you cannot do it in the reverse order.

Until you apologize, I will not be replying to you.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Neither is anything else you have to say

Perhaps we are reading from different bibles.