From Where do the RCC and the EOC get the Authority they claim for themselves?

[Gwenyfur]

Pure fable. Alice in Wonderland makes more sense, truly.

Why pure fable? Because protestants have ignored millennia of history in favor of a modernistic approach to Scripture and Doctrine cloaked in the guise of coming closer to the "early church"?

 

[calluna]

Various denominations accept the Pope's authority in a variety of ways, as well as the Traditions of the Church (obviously), as well as accepting the authority of priests and bishops to some extent as well. I would venture to guess that some are even in discrete communion with the Church. I would reccomend that such person and organization pay tribute to the Pontiff, to cover an array of trespasses, in whatever capacity that they prudently can.

'Pontiff', a name that is due to Christ only. A title inherited from the likes of Julius Caesar, avaricious warmonger and despot.

Has very much changed?

 

[racer]

For your benefit: "Jesus Christ" is a two letter response.

Was that really for his benefit or yours? Since, it contributed nothing of substance to the topic, it was clearly a "smarmy comment" made to make yourself feel better.

Considering the flack the SS people are getting in the SS thread, you guys are a little sensitive aren't you?

 

[calluna]

Nothing I've read on Orthodoxy states any such thing.

Lucky I posted, then.

 

[racer]

Judging by what I see on Christian Forums, I'd disagree.

Really? Can you give us some examples?

 

[racer]

If proffering a retrospective list of names makes for compelling evidence of Petrine succession, one would have to be very new.

At least he didn't bore us with the tedious repetition of the list we've seen time and again.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Was that really for his benefit or yours? Since, it contributed nothing of substance to the topic, it was clearly a "smarmy comment" made to make yourself feel better.

Considering the flack the SS people are getting in the SS thread, you guys are a little sensitive aren't you?

It's alright racer... it was funny.

 

[Gwenyfur]

Lucky I posted, then.

No such thing as "luck" only a lack of the truth of Orthodoxy on your part.

Perhaps you should read more, or better yet consult with a priest on the doctrines you're claiming to know so much about...

After all bearing false witness ....

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

'Pontiff', a name that is due to Christ only. A title inherited from the likes of Julius Caesar, avaricious warmonger and despot.

Has very much changed?

Sorry, but the spirit compels me..........

Dan 11:3 And King of masterful stands-up and he rules a Dominion vastness of and he does as pleases of him.
16 And he shall do the one coming to him as pleases of him and is no one standing to faces of him and he shall stand in land of the stateliness and finish in hand of him.
36 And he does as acceptable of himm, the King, and He shall exalt Himself and he shall magnify Himself over every of God/0410 'El and on God/'El of gods/'El He shall speak marvelous things, and He causes to prosper untill concluding of menace/za`am that One being decided She is Finished.

 

[racer]

Just because the thread author is biased with a grudge to gripe over, and just because she claims the answer is not sufficient, does not mean the answer is not sufficient.

People can try and set up a scenario which pleases their particular myopia, but it doesn't mean their word is gospel, nor that their direction of discussion must be followed in lock-step..

Ever hear the cliche' what's good for the goose is good for the gander? (Or vice versa if you like)

You can give one word or none if you like. The question is, "Is it simply your intention to get in a jibe/dig or to make a legitimate point?" Myself, I'd like to see at least some attempt at a legitimate point. I can take all the jibes and digs you got. But, it really gets you nowhere.

 

[Uphill Battle]

y'know, I'd rather if CF let you know who had you on ignore. Then you wouldn't wonder why so many posts go unadressed.

back to topic.

 

[Chesterton]

The devil, according to the Bible.

Trento, if drastic chastisements fell from heaven on the decieved or resistors, why then, do no such chastisements fall on us protestants?

I don't recall any specific verse where God threatens to turn your hair pink, but...

(Sorry, I should yellowcard myself for that.)

2. I don't think this is an appropriate forum...

CJ, the first time I say something which is not inappropriate or off-topic according to you, I'll fall out of my chair in amazement.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

y'know, I'd rather if CF let you know who had you on ignore. Then you wouldn't wonder why so many posts go unadressed.

back to topic.

I use to have just one person on ignore but then I couldn't read what he was saying so I took that poster off it

 

[calluna]

At least he didn't bore us with the tedious repetition of the list we've seen time and again.

 

[calluna]

So much for 'Sacred Scripture'.

 

[racer]

Thanks for assuming that I might be playing a fool. Incorrect, but charitable.

My wording may have been faulty, but if you reread the post, you'll see that I did not assume you were playing a fool, I wondered if your were "innocently playing ignorant." The use of the word "fools" in my post could have been replace with "tricks/deceives." So, after you've so grossly misunderstood my comment, I am inclined to believe you actually may not get the gist of what Josiah is saying. Forgive me.

I guess I really don't get the gist. He must have mentioned RC and LDS in the same sentence about 100 times in the SS thread. Best I can tell it's either a kind of smear tactic, or he believes that the fact that they both claim authority means that both claims are equally invalid. No?

I'm going to ask you a yes or no question--really simple--yes or no--okay? Do you really believe that Josiah is running a smear campaign against the Orthodox and Catholics?

If you do, it is very apparent that you are reading very little of what Josiah actually writes.

 

[fated]

Sorry, but the spirit compels me..........

Dan 11:3 And King of masterful stands-up and he rules a Dominion vastness of and he does as pleases of him.
16 And he shall do the one coming to him as pleases of him and is no one standing to faces of him and he shall stand in land of the stateliness and finish in hand of him.
36 And he does as acceptable of himm, the King, and He shall exalt Himself and he shall magnify Himself over every of God/0410 'El and on God/'El of gods/'El He shall speak marvelous things, and He causes to prosper untill concluding of menace/za`am that One being decided She is Finished.

That was unexpected. You are quite learned of the Scriptures.

 

[racer]

I can't address the OP, because the OP excludes the only answer - Jesus Christ. What other possible authority could any church which calls itself Christian have?

Well, if you feel you can't respond, don't feel obligated to try. But, okay, then, if Jesus Christ is the answer, can you tell me how you know that Jesus gave this authority to the churches I mentioned.

 

[Standing Up]

FWIW, thought this may be of interest from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

The question of authenticity assumes an altogether special aspect in regard to the First Gospel. The early Christian writers assert that St. Matthew wrote a Gospel in Hebrew; this Hebrew Gospel has, however, entirely disappeared, and the Gospel which we have, and from which ecclesiastical writers borrow quotations as coming from the Gospel of Matthew, is in Greek. What connection is there between this Hebrew Gospel and this Greek Gospel, both of which tradition ascribes to St. Matthew? Such is the problem that presents itself for solution. Let us first examine the facts.


Apparently the RCC believe that Matthew was written in Hebrew, which book has "entirely disappeared". So, whatever Doctrine, Dogma, Tradition, etc. comes therefrom is evidently not provable, like the keys, etc.

Or have I missed something?

 

[racer]

If I might suggest, that if you truly have a wish to know more about Orthodoxy, let me suggest the following books
The Life of the World

The Faith: Understanding Orthodox Christianity

Gwenyfur,

Can you recommend any good links? I live in a rural area and don't often get to book stores. I guess I could order them off the internet. But, I'm more likely to read up on internet sources if good ones are available.