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[RileyG]

And yet it's conservatives who want children to have "the right" to get married.

It's conservatives who are forcing minors into parenthood.

Those childhood pageants creep me out.

It’s not a conservative or liberal issue.

It’s just weird, in my opinion.

 

[Zaha Torte]

It's just history. Did you read the article I linked? [Transgender history - Wikipedia]

I stopped at the very beginning when it tried to claim that eunuchs were transgender or "third gender".

If you weren't aware, gender identity is (in contemporary parlance) about feelings; about which gender one feels most closely aligned with (if any). It is not the same as biological sex. It would be delusional if it was an erroneous factual belief, e.g. if you thought you were biologically male or female when you were not. What distresses many trans people is that they are well aware that the gender they identify with is not their biological gender.

The delusion begins when a person thinks that they can "feel" like anything or anyone other than themselves.

Not sure what you mean by, "...nor does it mean that they are necessary for people to know the difference between the sexes." Even biological sex (i.e. chromosomal sex) is not binary, although XX and XY are the vast majority. Male and female anatomy is typically a binary choice because it occurs relatively early in development (although there are variations).

The CF member I was talking to claimed that their grandson became aware of the differences between the sexes after coming to know about transgenderism.

No one needs to know anything about transgenderism to come to know the difference between the sexes.

Every human being is either male or female. It is a binary and we do not make any choice.

Masculine and feminine characteristics vary along a spectrum between individuals according to hormonal influences and change as they develop and age. Brain development is also influenced, particularly in utero, and is sensitive to variations in hormone levels, changes in gene expression, etc. This means we are all born with a unique set of mental characteristics and predispositions, among them a sense of self, including gender identity. In some individuals, this doesn't match their biological sex characteristics, in others it is ambiguous.

None of this changes anything. There are only the two sexes - zero genders - infinite personalities.

As the brain develops in childhood, certain predispositions may or may not be realised, depending on environmental influences (the classic case is psychopathy). Weakly conflicting gender identity predispositions may be modified by exposure to stereotypical gender roles (parents, siblings, peer group, etc.) in childhood. Stronger conflicting gender identity feelings may cause confusion, and some are effectively fixed.

This is what I meant when I spoke about inappropriate thoughts finding place within us - allowing evil spirits to influence us - and eventually rob us of our identity.

In the UK, gender identity conflicts become a medical question when they cause an individual sufficient distress to interfere with their everyday life, mental health, or well-being. The role of the health services is then to assess the individual and determine the best way to relieve their distress, and help them improve their mental health and well-being. This may involve counselling & talking therapies, or medication, or, as a last resort, surgery.

Yikes.

Why would they need hormones and surgery if gender is not the same as biological sex?

JFYI, gender-affirming surgeries for transgender women have taken place since the 16th century(!). The self-reported satisfaction rate after gender reassignment surgery is as high or higher than other major surgical procedures - here's a sample of studies:

Quality of Life Following Male-To-Female Sex Reassignment Surgery
Trans persons suffer from the tension between their biologically characterized body and their experienced sex/gender.
Undergoing medical and/or social transition seems for many trans persons the best possible solution for alleviating their gender dysphoria symptoms.
Results from studies imply that sex reassignment surgery on the one hand has positive effects in terms of partial aspects of quality of life, such as mental health, sexuality, and life satisfaction, and, on the other hand, on quality of life overall.

Long-term Outcomes After Gender-Affirming Surgery: 40-Year Follow-up Study
Conclusion: Gender-affirming surgery is a durable treatment that improves overall patient well-being. High patient satisfaction, improved dysphoria, and reduced mental health comorbidities persist decades after GAS without any reported patient regret.

Surgical Satisfaction, Quality of Life, and Their Association After Gender-Affirming Surgery: A Follow-up Study
Postoperative satisfaction was 94% to 100%, depending on the type of surgery performed. Eight (6%) of the participants reported dissatisfaction and/or regret, which was associated with preoperative psychological symptoms or self-reported surgical complications...

Thank you for sharing all these sources.

What do you believe these surveys prove and why do you consider them to be credible?

Two sexes are the vast majority, but some people are intersex, hermaphrodite, etc.

All intersex people are either male or female - no true hermaphrodites exist.

Not everyone whose gender identity differs from their biological sex experiences gender dysphoria, so not all are mentally ill.

True - they could be indulging in a sexual fetish or take pleasure in confusing, controlling or dominating others.

Who 'lumps it in' as a sexual orientation?

The person I was responding to and the LGBT community as a whole.

If you consider it sinful or immoral, don't do it.

Thank you so much for allowing me that.

For me, what consenting people do with each other is their business, not mine.

Ok - but that does not make it any less sinful.

A mental illness is commonly defined as psychological distress sufficient to interfere with everyday life.

Like thinking you are a member of the opposite sex or "gender".

It affects every relationship you have.

I was correcting your impression that "... all people everywhere since the beginning of people" went about their lives "...without meeting any transgender people". I see no need to justify harmless behaviour.

What "harmless behavior"?

It was an education that enabled me to see how I had been indoctrinated - and did the same for many people of other cultures & religions who became my friends. I probably learned more from meeting such a diversity of people than I did from the course I studied.

I would claim that opposite has happened.

I hope your children get an education that is more than studying a curriculum and passing exams. Encourage them to expand their knowledge and understanding and encounter as wide a variety of views and opinions as possible. Then they can make a better-informed choice of a moral and ethical framework to live by.

I will encourage them to focus on discovering what is true.

Not every voice or idea is valid.

 

[Zaha Torte]

I've experienced this quite a few times. Someone in the forum will refer to transgender people as abhorrent, or mentally ill. And I'll ask them directly if they would say that to me about my relative in some social situation. And the back peddling is furious. 'Oh no. I'm not talking about your family. I'm not suggesting that your niece/nephew/sister is evil or mentally unstable.' They find it's quite easy to say the things they do in the anonymity of the forum. They say things they wouldn't dare say to a colleague or a friend or even to a total stranger face to face, who has experienced what a loved one has gone through and what they have had to put up with. They wouldn't because they know what the reaction would likely be. Post it on a forum and they don't get to see the frustration and the pain. And the anger.

So you might not address my family directly, but everything you say includes them. There's no getting away from that. It's like you saying that you won't call my nephew mentally ill because that might be upsetting, but you'll have no problem saying the same about transgender people in general. And that's not upsetting for someone who is transgender or has a friend or family member who is?

I thought I was being clear when I said that I didn't take back what I said - but let me be even more clear.

Every single person who claims to be "transgender" either has a mental illness, is a sexual fetishist or derives pleasure from confusing/controlling/or dominating others.

I will say that because this is a forum setting - where we are free and expected to share our views.

I would not just go up to your nephew (so I assume your niece) and say that to them because life is not a forum.

However - if your niece was to ask my opinion about transgenderism - I would share what I said above.

And I would probably also mention that this condition was brought on by the person indulging in inappropriate thoughts and actions that led to even further weaknesses in their spirit and mind - which evil spirits took advantage of to rob them of their identity.

Then I would wrap it up by sharing my testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ -that they are infinitely valuable to Him - and that they need to come unto Him to be healed.

The fact that some people would get frustrated or angry with me for sharing the truth does not change the truth - and if anyone is pained by it - then they are not living according to the truth.

Don't play that game with me. Look up any dictionary definition. You'll not be able to find any article, medical paper or dictionary definition anywhere on the planet that doesn't explain the difference between biological sex and gender. But I guess you'll just do what others do in this situation and point to lists that someone has come up with of umpteen variations on a theme and say that gee, it's just all too complicated. You want to keep it in the Too Hard Basket so that you don't have to address it.

It is not complicated at all. The concept of "gender" does not exist.

It is you and yours that have complicated it - which is why I said as much earlier.

You and yours swap back and forth and use whatever definition you want in the moment.

The entire ideology is based on that kind of chaos and nonsense.

Thanks for your personal opinion. It doesn't actually align with reality but that's a problem that you'll have to solve.

Again - this is a very rich statement coming from someone who believes as you do.

 

[rambot]

Those childhood pageants creep me out.

It’s not a conservative or liberal issue.

It’s just weird, in my opinion.

Yeah. Apologies. I had deleted it from the textbox but not from the attachment section.

I dont know who supports this but most people I interact with on this issue seems to think its creepy/innapropriate.

 

[RileyG]

Yeah. Apologies. I had deleted it from the textbox but not from the attachment section.

I dont know who supports this but most people I interact with on this issue seems to think its creepy/innapropriate.

You’re good!

True.

 

[Zaha Torte]

And yet it's conservatives who want children to have "the right" to get married.

It's conservatives who are forcing minors into parenthood.

I'll need more information before I can respond to this.

 

[RileyG]

I'll need more information before I can respond to this.

It’s the toddlers and tiaras nonsense from TLC. Honey Boo Boo comes to mind.

 

[Bradskii]

I thought I was being clear when I said that I didn't take back what I said - but let me be even more clear.

No need to be any clearer. Your position is perfectly clear. That was why your apology was anything but. And why it wasn't accepted. Because I'm not going to accept it on behalf of any transgender person whom you describe using terms such as you did in your post. An apology is not meant to be given to make the person making it feel better about themself. But that was the only result of yours.

It is not complicated at all. The concept of "gender" does not exist.

So many papers, so much literature, so many articles, so many reports, so many definitions across the world all dealing something that doesn't exist. You are living in a world of your own making.

And in passing, I have a rule that I never say anything to anyone within the forum that I wouldn't say to them face to face. It's a shame that others don't take that common courtesy on board.

 

[Bradskii]

The CF member I was talking to claimed that their grandson became aware of the differences between the sexes after coming to know about transgenderism.

No one needs to know anything about transgenderism to come to know the difference between the sexes.

Are you referring to me? If you are that is a complete fabrication. At no time did I say anything like that at all. The kid was well aware of sexual differences - he has a sister after all. And he'd need to know that to understand the concept of gender - which he does, and also biological differences so he can understand why and how people want to transgender. Which he needed to know because he has a relative who has done so.

And get this. He's a teacher. So any problems with the pupils in the school? None whatsoever. Any problems with their parents? None whatsoever. All he got from everyone was love, care and compassion. Concepts which I find are thin on the ground in some parts.

 

[Zaha Torte]

No need to be any clearer. Your position is perfectly clear.

Good.

That was why your apology was anything but. And why it wasn't accepted.

I did not apologize about sharing the truth.

I apologized for coming across as if you were a bad person or that your family members were "wicked".

I did not want you to think that that was what I was saying.

Because I'm not going to accept it on behalf of any transgender person whom you describe using terms such as you did in your post.

I was not apologizing to any transgender person. I was apologizing to you.

I would never apologize for sharing the truth.

An apology is not meant to be given to make the person making it feel better about themself. But that was the only result of yours.

I only felt bad because I thought you did not understand my position. I apologized and clarified my position.

So many papers, so much literature, so many articles, so many reports, so many definitions across the world all dealing something that doesn't exist. You are living in a world of your own making.

I assume some Christian somewhere said something similar to an atheist.

And that atheist most likely responded with something along the lines of, "None of that proves that it is true."

What do you think? You think that conversation has happened before?

And in passing, I have a rule that I never say anything to anyone within the forum that I wouldn't say to them face to face. It's a shame that others don't take that common courtesy on board.

The difference between a forum and real life is that we all agreed to be on this forum, and we accept the rules.

I would only share these truths with a person face to face if they agreed to have a conversation about the topic of transgenderism.

I have shared these truths with both transgender people and gender activists face to face in the past - but that was before it became so mainstream.

So - I honestly don't know how they would react to it today - but considering that they are most likely hormonally imbalanced and not addressing their trauma in a healthy way at all - I assume they would bring a lot of anger and violence.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Are you referring to me? If you are that is a complete fabrication. At no time did I say anything like that at all.

You stated in Post #80,

"My 10 year old grandson is aware of gender differences because we have a family member who transgendered." (Bold and italics added)

Are you applying a different definition to the word "fabrication"? Perhaps the gender activists revised that word too?

The kid was well aware of sexual differences - he has a sister after all.

I'm glad to hear it.

And he'd need to know that to understand the concept of gender - which he does, and also biological differences so he can understand why and how people want to transgender.

What is the "concept of gender" and how is it different than "biological differences"?

Which he needed to know because he has a relative who has done so.

No transition took place. You're just confusing children.

And get this. He's a teacher. So any problems with the pupils in the school? None whatsoever. Any problems with their parents? None whatsoever. All he got from everyone was love, care and compassion. Concepts which I find are thin on the ground in some parts.

I hope things continue to go well for her.

 

[Zaha Torte]

It’s the toddlers and tiaras nonsense from TLC. Honey Boo Boo comes to mind.

I don't know much about any of that - but this "Honey Boo Boo" was a minor advocating for the right to get married?

 

[Bradskii]

You stated in Post #80,

"My 10 year old grandson is aware of gender differences because we have a family member who transgendered." (Bold and italics added)

You were talking about sexual differences. Not gender. Obviously, as you don't even think that gender exists.

I hope things continue to go well for her.

You just couldn't resist, could you.

 

[Zaha Torte]

You were talking about sexual differences. Not gender. Obviously, as you don't even think that gender exists.

How are gender and sex different?

You just couldn't resist, could you.

I don't resist the truth. It's a shame that others don't take that common courtesy on board.

 

[Bradskii]

How are gender and sex different?

I've already told you that I'm not wasting my time on you.

I don't resist the truth. It's a shame that others don't take that common courtesy on board.

It speaks to the type of person you are. But hey, maybe you'd use the correct pronoun face to face.

 

[Zaha Torte]

I've already told you that I'm not wasting my time on you.

I don't believe you are capable of explaining them.

It speaks to the type of person you are.

I competent one who uses precise language.

But hey, maybe you'd use the correct pronoun face to face.

I just used the correct pronoun, and I would use it again when appropriate.

Although - I do tend to avoid the use of pronouns around those I believe would be offended by the truth.

Yet - if they were to engage in a discussion about transgenderism - I would use the correct pronoun. Again.

 

[Bradskii]

Yet - if they were to engage in a discussion about transgenderism - I would use the correct pronoun.

Nobody I know would have the slightest interest in discussing what you think about the matter. Nobody I know would be the slightest bit interested in even meeting someone that expresses some views as have been expressed in this thread. The only reason I take part in these discussions is to poke around enough to find out what someone actually thinks. To get it out into the open and have some sunlight shone on it. The truth generally comes out, unwrapped, not couched in reasonably polite platitudes.

We can all then make decisions as regards those people who espouse such views

 

[Zaha Torte]

Nobody I know would have the slightest interest in discussing what you think about the matter. Nobody I know would be the slightest bit interested in even meeting someone that expresses some views as have been expressed in this thread. The only reason I take part in these discussions is to poke around enough to find out what someone actually thinks. To get it out into the open and have some sunlight shone on it. The truth generally comes out, unwrapped, not couched in reasonably polite platitudes.

We can all then make decisions as regards those people who espouse such views

I understand that the truth can be hard for some people to hear.

You can hate me for speaking the truth if you want to - but I am not the one hurt by that.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Nobody I know would have the slightest interest in discussing what you think about the matter. Nobody I know would be the slightest bit interested in even meeting someone that expresses some views as have been expressed in this thread. The only reason I take part in these discussions is to poke around enough to find out what someone actually thinks. To get it out into the open and have some sunlight shone on it. The truth generally comes out, unwrapped, not couched in reasonably polite platitudes.

We can all then make decisions as regards those people who espouse such views

Isn't that the truth. I have to say nothing has been worse for my spiritual journey than to see what people who very loudly and frequently tout their Christianity feel comfortable saying and doing. I've for sure had several "if this is what somebody who's Christian thinks, do I really want to be Christian?" moments in my 20ish years on this forum.

 

[Pommer]

Amen! Anti-Catholicism is the last bigotry that is still accepted by society. Most liberals absolutely DESPISE Catholics.

You got a source for this, or is this just your experience/opinion?