There is another story to this. It is one of forgiveness, deliverance, and the fact that miracles can and do happen when we are obedient to God.
OK I have written articles concerning "subtle warfare" and "perfect christians". In the interest of time, I will try and summate the articles and show where they are important to this discussion as well as show the links so that anyone who is interested is able to read the full article.
Perfect Christians
I still stumble and fall, we all do.
Even Paul has his one sin that he had problems with. But he kept trying and praying about his shortcomings. Why shouldn't we do the same?
"There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ."
We are forgiven by God, if God doesn't condem me, what give anybody else that right?
"Forgive as My Father in Heaven forgave you"
Regardless, we must forgive those who hurt us. This does not mean that we will not fail at this either, it simply means that I am trying. I have forgiven, but I am working on forgetting and letting go.
"Love you neighbor as yourself"
How much do you love you?? Do you wish to have people understand and forgive you? Then you must do forgive others.
"God will judge us with the same yardstick we use to judge others"
If we judge others only by the mistakes that they make, then how many mistakes is God going to use when He judges us??
Again, this does not mean that we will always succeed at these, but each time we resist the devil and the temptations, the more mature we get and the easier it gets.
http://themorningstar.17.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=39
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Subtle Warfare
Just like I am tempted and I have my weak spots, so do others. I need to remember that just like I have my whisperings in my ear, (they are all the same, why even try anymore, God doesn't love me, why is it always me, REVENGE!!) they have theirs. (she is trying to start a fight with that post, she is not really working at doing the right thing.... and so on)
They failed and I failed. Our biggest problem is our own heads and allowing the wicked one to influence our behaviors and perceptions.
This does not excuse either their actions nor mine. We have free will to make our own choices.
Neither can I blame my actions on the fact that I was hurt by those I cared about or those who claimed that they cared about me. Understanding is all I can ask for. But that is a two way street. If I ask for and expect understanding and forgiveness, then I also must give it as well.
http://themorningstar.17.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=35
These aren't just for me but rather how I should think on those who have harmed me. This includes my parents.
See, as I am growing so have they. Through the HS they are not the same people who harmed me. I believe that it would be wrong for me to judge them by their past actions, when the Fruit of the HS are at work in them.
When I look at my step-father now, I do not see the same person he was years ago. Yes he was wrong, yes, he had his weaknesses, and yes growing up was hell for me.
But I can NOT and will NOT judge him on that, but rather by the fruit that is shown in his life. He has grown as I have grown. Because of this we have a close relationship that would otherwise be impossible.
But remember, ALL things are possible to those who love Christ.
Mt 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
Mr 9:23
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
Mr 10:27
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
Mr 14:36
And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
How do I know that it is God and not more manipulation?? The Fruit!!
Matthew 7:15-20
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Romans 6:
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Does this mean that we won't fail or sin?? No!! It simply means that we do not have any excuse when we sin, but thank God we have Grace for when we do stumble. But we are still to grow and bare fruit.
Phil 1:
5 For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.
That the work that has begun in you will preform. The work that he has done to change and live according to God and the fruit that is evident in his life is why I am able to go to him when I have questions about the bible. If he was able to overcome his weaknesses and God has foriven him, how could I not wish to know HOW??
9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ
11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
The fruit can only be accomplished with Jesus and a sincere heart towards Him.
20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
This I see and reconize in him.
See, Most of the time, he would start something and stop before it got to the point.......... He would be convicted and then he would stop before he did anything and ask God to forgive him and give him strength to not do it anymore. Sound familar??
2 Cor:
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
Romans 7:14-25
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
If I wish God to judge me on the intent of my heart and my growth, then I must do the same.
1Sa 16:7
But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.