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[rmwilliamsll]

July 14, 2005
You naive, stupid Americans! — With love and best wishes, Eugenie Scott

On May 21st, I wrote an item on this blog titled “Sorry, kids, but you’re just too stupid” (go here), which described one rationale by Darwinists to exclude the teaching of intelligent design in the public schools, namely, kids are too stupid to understand the issues raised by evolutionary theory so that bringing up intelligent design will only confuse them further. I find this argument outrageous because (1) evolution, with regard to its basic mechanisms, is not rocket science — it is readily grasped; (2) kids rise to the occasion when they are challenged– the problem with so much of contemporary education is that it is dummied down and boring.

Listening to NPR this morning while going through a car wash, I heard Eugenie Scott extend this exclusionary argument, urging real scientists not to debate the merits of intelligent design in public because most Americans are “naive.” Yes, her choice of word exactly — “naive.” You naive, stupid Americans! Let us enlightened intellectual bigots lead you by the nose for your own good. And, just remember, if you persist in disbelieving evolution, Daniel Dennett has his cultural zoos in place ready to quarantine you.
Filed under: Intelligent Design — William Dembski @ 9:41 am

from: http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/190


looks like it is not just the evolutionists calling YECists names.
but beyond name calling, is it possible to be well informed on the issues of TofE from a scientific viewpoint and be YECist?
for example, can someone finish a degree in say molecular and cellular bio and believe that the evidence points to an earth less than 10K years old?


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[Critias]

Yes, one can earn such a degree with the belief of a young earth. The problem is not in obtaining a degree. The problem is when someone states their beliefs those that do not share, the majority being the case here, will ostrize the one stating his/her beliefs.

The majority will not recognize their degree, and the majority will call them a liar and a fraud.

It is the scientists who are evolutionists who do not show up to debate the ID people, not the other way around.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Yes, one can earn such a degree with the belief of a young earth. The problem is not in obtaining a degree. The problem is when someone states their beliefs those that do not share, the majority being the case here, will ostrize the one stating his/her beliefs.

The majority will not recognize their degree, and the majority will call them a liar and a fraud.

It is the scientists who are evolutionists who do not show up to debate the ID people, not the other way around.

do you, or know anyone personally with a science degree and is YECist? not OEC but a true believer that the earth is less than 10K years old and will defend this on scientific grounds?

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[Critias]

Yes, I do.

 

[gluadys]

from: http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/190


looks like it is not just the evolutionists calling YECists names.
but beyond name calling, is it possible to be well informed on the issues of TofE from a scientific viewpoint and be YECist?
for example, can someone finish a degree in say molecular and cellular bio and believe that the evidence points to an earth less than 10K years old?


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Apparently yes. Kurt Wise is the YEC who took a PhD under the tutelage of Stephen Gould. He has made a conscious decision to remain in the YEC camp on the basis of his understanding of the Bible. But he agrees that current scientific evidence does not agree with the position he holds by faith.