From Darwin to Hitler

[BeamMeUpScotty]

They just had a hour long program about this on TV. He had a personal doctor and they have the notebook from the doctor with a record of every drug that hitler was given. He mostly took what they call crystal meth, but also some morphine.

The doctor would have to go in and shoot him up before He could even get up out of bed. But he did not regulate it himself so much as the doctor regulated it.

Ok, thank you for that. Now please respond to the rest of my post about the atomic bombings.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

If you are not for God, then you are against him.

No. Your god is inconsequential to me. Just as I am not for the use of Chery flavoured lozengers, neither am I against them.

It does not matter if your a evolutionist or a nazi,

Or a creationist?

you are either for God, or against God.

See above. You offer no justification as to why the advocation of your god is akin to a Boullier trial: only two possibilities.

Like Dylan use to say. You got to serve somebody. You can serve God or you can serve the devil, but you got to serve somebody.

I serve myself. So which am I?

They figured if they used the bomb 100,000 people would die.
If they did not use the bomb then 1,000,000 people would die.
So the question is: Did Einstein save 900,000 lives?

Unjustified assertion. This argument is made in hiensight. At the time, they had no way of knowing that the Japan-US conflict would end with the leveling of Hiroshima and Nagasaki via a nuclear attack.
Also, where did you get these figures from?

Hitler use to brag about all of his narrow excapes. It was as if he thought a supernatural force was keeping him alive.
Even when so many of his staff were hurt during a bombing raid and he went without injury.
Of course he was so high on drugs it is hard to know what he was thinking most of the time.

Irrevelvant. St. Paul suffered from Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. Your assertions mean nothing without sources (mine, however include: this, this, this, etc (note that two are peer-reviewed scientific papers, something that Creationism has never done. Just a thought).

 

[JohnR7]

No. Your god is inconsequential to me.

So why are you on a christian web site then if God does not mean anything to you?

I serve myself. So which am I?

If you do not serve God, then you serve the Devil. The Bible is plain and clear about that.
I am sure you already knew the answer to that question. So what was your reason for asking?

 

[JohnR7]

Now please respond to the rest of my post about the atomic bombings.

I am not going to look for a needle in a haystack. At least give me a post number.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

I am not going to look for a needle in a haystack. At least give me a post number.

It's only on the previous page--#54, which you did respond to twice concerning a relatively small point about Hitler.

Looking forward to your reply.

 

[JohnR7]

It's only on the previous page--#54, which you did respond to twice concerning a relatively small point about Hitler.

Your post is just an example on how you can not get people to agree on just what actually takes place in history. I saw a hour long program where they had actually filmed the crew as they were being briefed about the mission. They were told that it was going to be the biggest bomb ever. But they were also told that lives would be saved by droping the bomb.

Now if you want to suggest that science and or our government lies to us. Then when and were does it begin and end? We have been saying all along that darwinism is a lie along with natural selection and the mutations theory.

 

[SLP]

Has anyone read this book? Strong evidence for the connection of dawinism with Hitler and the Nazi's lack of sanctity of life for the "more animal like."

Well written scholarly work! Strongly recommend it.

Does this amazing scholarly book mention all the times that Hitler claimed to have been doing the Lord's work?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

So why are you on a christian web site then if God does not mean anything to you?

Because I take enjoyment out of debating. Who better to debate with, than those who differ most in opinion than me; namely, Christians & Creationists. (NB: I am limited to the English & Russian speaking forums. Naturally, there are others who differ more in opinion than me, but I am unable to debate them). But anyway.

If you do not serve God, then you serve the Devil. The Bible is plain and clear about that.

The Bible is also plain and clear about what to do to sinners. Have you butchered or otherwise brutally murdered someone yet?

I am sure you already knew the answer to that question. So what was your reason for asking?

To show you that I serve myself, not your god, not your temptor. Since you have yet to prove that the Bible should be taken as anything other than metaphor, this line of argument is pointless. Prove the Bible is infallibly correct, and then I will believe it. Untill then, I'll stick to my guns.

Now if you want to suggest that science and or our government lies to us. Then when and were does it begin and end? We have been saying all along that darwinism is a lie along with natural selection and the mutations theory.

Illogical conclusion. The validity of the theory of evolution is irrelevant to the imposed mentality of those who assisted in the construction and deployment of nuclear armaments in the second world war.

 

[JohnR7]

Because I take enjoyment out of debating.

Oh, I see, your like a drowning man who is trying to breath through a straw to stay alive, so you do not feel dead.
You are not dependant, you are co-dependant on Christianity.

The Bible is also plain and clear about what to do to sinners.

The Bible is plain and clear that the wages of sin is death and all are guilty.
The good news is that Jesus took our place at Calvery so that whoever
believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life

John 3:16-21
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. [17] For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [18] He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [19] And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20] For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. [21] But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Oh, I see, your like a drowning man who is trying to breath through a straw to stay alive, so you do not feel dead.
You are not dependant, you are co-dependant on Christianity.

I'm sorry? How on Earth did you come to that conclusion?
Quite frankly, I think it is you in that situation. Your religion (or rather, your sacred text) has been shown to be nothing more than spiritual guidence (if that), not a literal description of the universe. So you cling here, hoping that someone will listen to your cries that your beliefs should be touted above all else.
You, my friend, are drowning in this age of reason and logic, and in the rigour of this science forum.
And once again, you extract a single statment from my dissertation, and ignore the rest. Imagine that.

 

[JohnR7]

I'm sorry? How on Earth did you come to that conclusion?
Quite frankly, I think it is you in that situation.

You said: "Because I take enjoyment out of debating. Who better to debate with, than those who differ most in opinion than me".

I have a dependancy on Christianity. But you have a co-dependancy. You want to continue to hear the truth, but you do not want to abide in the truth.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I have a dependancy on Christianity. But you have a co-dependancy. You want to continue to hear the truth, but you do not want to abide in the truth.

And where does one go on this forum to hear "the truth"? To you?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

You said: "Because I take enjoyment out of debating. Who better to debate with, than those who differ most in opinion than me".

Indeed. Surely you don't think that Christians are the only ones who differ in opinion with me? Even if that were the case, my penchance for debating Christianity and it's associated topics hardly makes me dependant on it! I enjoy my Core Mathematics classes, but I am not dependant on them. You still have yet to explain how you go from my statement to your conclusion.

I have a dependancy on Christianity. But you have a co-dependancy. You want to continue to hear the truth, but you do not want to abide in the truth.

I continue to read unsubstantiated claims, nothing more.
Until you learn to back up your claims, especially in this science forum, your arguments have all the validity of Pastafarianism or Scientology.

 

[JohnR7]

And where does one go on this forum to hear "the truth"? To you?

A good place to begin would be the Holy Spirit of Truth.

John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

 

[Nathan Poe]

A good place to begin would be the Holy Spirit of Truth.

John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

Talking to spirits -- is there a special thread here for that?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

A good place to begin would be the Holy Spirit of Truth.

And how does one invoke this spirit? I always thought magick and witchcraft was branded an abomination by the Christian religion.

Anyway, we digress.

Darwinian theory does not logically lead to Hitler's eugenics. Prove otherwise, else the OP has still failed.

 

[Waiting for the Verdict]

You're kidding, right? That's like suggesting Newton's theory of gravity was responsible for the V1 and V2 rockets... give me a break.

Or like suggesting that creationism causes child abuse (Richard Dawkins).

Misuse of science, regrettably goes both ways.

 

[Waiting for the Verdict]

Have you read that Hitler was a Christian and repeatedly referred to himself as doing the Lord's work?

yes, Hitler was officially Catholic. However, in private Hitler talked about the need to replace Christianity with a more bland, almost Deistic faith (Secret Conversations with Hitler, you can find his quotes about his distaste for Christians on practically any page of the book). He saw the Christian religion as primitive superstition.

Of course, though, most of the lower ranked Nazis and SS guards were Christians, and they did plenty of killing. And Hitler's official pronouncements supported Christianity. It was only in private that he, along with Bormann and occassionally Himmler, indulged in his anti-Christian fantasies.

I think with the Holocaust there is plenty of blame to go around for everyone. Debating on whether Hitler was a Christian, atheist, evolutionist, etc. does not really get us very far, which I think was the point of your post.

 

[JohnR7]

I always thought magick and witchcraft was branded an abomination by the Christian religion.

It is an abomination, but before we burn you at the stake we have to give you a chance to renouce it and be converted to the truth.

 

[phsyxx]

You're kidding, right? That's like suggesting Newton's theory of gravity was responsible for the V1 and V2 rockets... give me a break.

Or that Einstein's theory of relativity was responsible for the Atomb Bomb!!!


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