From a Christian and logical perpsective on homosexuality.

[naotmaa]

He would still be alive today as would countless others if not for the gay lifestyle.

You are speaking of Mathew Shepherd who was trick rolled trying to exchange drugs for sex and was killed after he sexually assaulted someone.

That is hardly the person you want for a poster boy- unless of course you want to make the political statement that drug dealers should not get trick rolled.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

You are speaking of Mathew Shepherd who was trick rolled trying to exchange drugs for sex and was killed after he sexually assaulted someone.

That is hardly the person you want for a poster boy- unless of course you want to make the political statement that drug dealers should not get trick rolled.

Thats a lie and you know it. shame.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Thats a lie and you know it. shame.

We have all gone through this before.

The detectives who investigated the case and the murderers affirm that MS left the bar with the two men with the intent to exchange sex for drugs and was tick rolled.

Yes, MS did not deserve to be murdered but neither should he be the posterboy for intolerance.

 

[CriticalMassKitten]

He would still be alive today as would countless others if not for the gay lifestyle.

As far as I know, he wasn't gay. Are you perhaps saying that JUST because he had HIV that meant he was gay? Sad, really, I thought this mentality died in the 80s.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

We have all gone through this before.

The detectives who investigated the case and the murderers affirm that MS left the bar with the two men with the intent to exchange sex for drugs and was tick rolled.

Yes, MS did not deserve to be murdered but neither should he be the posterboy for intolerance.

Yes we have gone over this and you were proven wrong. But hey the kid is only a prop eh ?

 

[davedjy]

Edit: I misunderstood, and thought the quoter was speaking of someone else...

 

[BigBadWlf]

Actually Ryan White was the hemophilliac who died of AIDs. Still, I fail to see the connection to homosexuality. This is a nice quote from Ryan's mother on the topic, "Ryan always said, 'I'm just like everyone else with AIDS, no matter how I got it.' And he would never have lived as long as he did without the gay community. The people we knew in New York made sure we knew about the latest treatments way before we would have known in Indiana. I hear mothers today say they're not gonna work with no gay community on anything. Well, if it comes to your son's life, you better start changing your heart and your attitude around."

Oops…my bad…thanks for correcting

 

[naotmaa]

Oops…my bad…thanks for correcting

no problemo

 

[BigBadWlf]

You are speaking of Mathew Shepherd who was trick rolled trying to exchange drugs for sex and was killed after he sexually assaulted someone.

That is hardly the person you want for a poster boy- unless of course you want to make the political statement that drug dealers should not get trick rolled.

Corrected:

So you are using the existence of a virus and the tragic death of a young person to justify your personal prejudice.

Sick…truly sick

 

[BigBadWlf]

We have all gone through this before.

The detectives who investigated the case and the murderers affirm that MS left the bar with the two men with the intent to exchange sex for drugs and was tick rolled.

You have told this lie before

The police who investigated the case: Police Chief of Laramie, Commander Dave O'Malley, and Sgt. Rob DeBree do not say this

“Robbery was the motive, but Shepard was victimized in part because he is gay.” Dave O'Malley

“There is no evidence that Shepard made any sexual advances to the pair.” Dave O'Malley

“There was absolutely no proof to support allegations of Shepard's advance on McKinney. It's an allegation of a suspect that's looking down the barrel of a death sentence." Rob DeBree

Shepard was struck between 19 and 21 times, all to the face and head area. “It was a concentrated effort to destroy somebody. I believe it was because Matt was gay. I’ll go to my grave believing that.” Dave O'Malley interview with ABC news

Can you explain why it is morally acceptable for you to lie about Matthew Shepherd?

 

[BigBadWlf]

rolled.

Yes, MS did not deserve to be murdered but neither should he be the posterboy for intolerance.

Matthew Shepherd does not deserve to be lied about so you can try justify what his murderers did

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Is Mach Zero being an apologist for the Mathew shepherd's murderers again?

I mean they were completely justified... the sick twisted little bastard tried to pick them up when they were minding their own business in a gay bar... the dirty little perv he got everything he deserved, right?

 

[BAFRIEND]

“Robbery was the motive, but Shepard was victimized in part because he is gay.” Dave O'Malley

“There is no evidence that Shepard made any sexual advances to the pair.” Dave O'Malley

Robbery was the motive but lets just also say that he died because he was so willing to offer drugs for sex which by definition is prostitution.

There is no evidence... O'Malley was not there and a living witness said that was what happened. The statement by the murderer is in fact evidence.

Drinking, drugs, prostitution... recipe for trick rolling and murder. Give it up.

 

[BAFRIEND]

the dirty little perv he got everything he deserved, right?

Please stop trying to demonize me for the immoral actions of others.

There are scary people in this world, you need to be responsible to a degree for your own safety.

Engaging in prostitution for drugs and leaving bars with strangers sounds like risky business, although that is just my opinion from someone who has never tried it before.

 

[Wednesday]

 

[David Brider]

What I have always stated is that my debate here is to argue against the promotion that the gay lifestyle is not a sin and acceptable within the institution of Christianity.

Perhaps it would help if you explained what this "gay lifestyle" is and how it differs from the "straight lifestyle".

David.

 

[naotmaa]

Please stop trying to demonize me for the immoral actions of others.

There are scary people in this world, you need to be responsible to a degree for your own safety.

Engaging in prostitution for drugs and leaving bars with strangers sounds like risky business, although that is just my opinion from someone who has never tried it before.

Yeah, engaging in prostitution is risky business. But I have yet to find any information showing that that occurred.
Henderson and McKinney and their girlfriends keep contradicting each other and changing their stories every time the question is asked...
The truth is, we're never going to know exactly what happened.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Is Mach Zero being an apologist for the Mathew shepherd's murderers again?

I mean they were completely justified... the sick twisted little bastard tried to pick them up when they were minding their own business in a gay bar... the dirty little perv he got everything he deserved, right?

And ignoring the fact that Henderson’s affidavit denies any sexual motive or activity…IE no grope

 

[BigBadWlf]

The detectives who investigated the case and the murderers affirm that MS left the bar with the two men with the intent to exchange sex for drugs and was tick rolled.

Police Chief of Laramie, Commander Dave O'Malley, and Sgt. Rob DeBree have never said this. Why do you feel it is morally acceptable for you to lie about what they have said?

 

[BigBadWlf]

Robbery was the motive but lets just also say that he died because he was so willing to offer drugs for sex which by definition is prostitution.

Matthew Shepherd does not deserve to be lied about so you can try justify what his murderers did

There is no evidence... O'Malley was not there and a living witness said that was what happened. The statement by the murderer is in fact evidence.

And the statement from the other murderer…the one who says nothing sexual happened...no grope…no prostitution…nothing
Then there is the fact that the bigots were broke that night. Court testimony indicates they had to buy their beer with pennies and nickels and had no “drugs” to be selling..

But why let the truth get in the way

Drinking, drugs, prostitution... recipe for trick rolling and murder. Give it up.

Except there were no drugs and a single beer hardly counts as drinking, and there was no prostitution.

Can you explain why it is morally acceptable for you to lie about Matthew Shepherd ?