Freemasons

[razeontherock]

I am a member of the Frasority of L.H.O.O.Q.

Laughing Heina Order Of the Quarantined?

 

[jonmichael818]

As far as Freemasons worshipping lucifer, I don't know. I have seen videos and heard interviews of ex-masons that report this kind of thing, but you cant really be sure. As far as I know Freemasonry is a kind of monotheism with a lot of rituals, and may have some occult underpinings.
I am pretty sure they have nothing to do with satanism though, or at least the popular version of satanism, which is LaVeyistic Satanism.(i.e. founded by Anton LaVey) LaVey's satanism is simply a very self exalting type of atheism. Although there is such a thing as theistic satanism.

The theories linking elitist very powerful men with Freemasonry is a sort of patch work with a lot of speculation. This does not mean that these same powerful people do not have their connections with eachother, with some kind of agenda. Whether that agenda has intentions of evil, good or just plan greed or power, I can't say.

 

[BrandonMarshall]

William Morgam was going to expose Luciferian masonic secrets before they kidnapped and murdered him. They're no good.

 

[kivi]

Absolutely every president of the United States has been a member of a secret society. But hey, so are the leaders of other nations, and even tribes. So whats new! It's the same old story!

Can you name them with their secret society? And what do you mean by 'secret'? That nobody knows that it exists? or that people know but until they are a member, the rituals and proceedures are held in private?.

 

[jonmichael818]

Well, in that case the U.S. wasn't founded as a Christian nation but a Luciferian one.

Guess we'd better scrap the Constitution and start again.

The U.S. was not founded on either. It was founded on the idea of religious tolerance, and to remove religion from matters of the state. In fact a great deal of the founding fathers(especially many of the key players) were diests.

 

[DontTreadOnMike]

I feel like I should mention that luciferians would not say they are satanists. LeVayan Satanists are atheists/humanists who like to scare/offend christians by using satan as a metaphor for the human will/mind/whatever. Theistic satanists worship the satan from the abrahamic religions as described in the Bible and Quran.

Luciferians by contrast worship an unrelated deity who is not evil but brings divine knowledge to mankind like prometheus. They believe that any deity that brings knowledge to man is an aspect of their lucifer. Melek Taus etc.

I know that to a Christian, that's not much of a distinction. And they're probably right. In the Christian world view, they're the same. I'm just bringing up the subtle difference. Satanists worship satan, an evil character, the adversary. Luciferians worship lucifer, a luminous angel who brings divine knowledge to man kind.



EDIT: Also, the only religious requirement to becoming a free mason is to acknowledge SOME sort of higher power. Could it simply be that some of the members are Luciferians while some are Christians or Jews?

 

[razeontherock]

In fact a great deal of the founding fathers(especially many of the key players) were diests.

This is not fact but regurgitated tripe you've been taught by academia. The FACTS are on record, in the Law Library, maintained BY LAW in YOUR county seat.

Anyway, the comment in your quote here has nothing to do w/ the OP, and is OT. ALL of the "key player's" ideology lines up perfectly w/ Christianity; there may be some overlap with what may or may not have been 'Deism,' but there's no way to tell because it wasn't codified in the least.

IOW - RED HERRING. Please learn the relevant facts (preferably straight from the source) before spreading such nonsense.

 

[Booko]

The U.S. was not founded on either. It was founded on the idea of religious tolerance, and to remove religion from matters of the state. In fact a great deal of the founding fathers(especially many of the key players) were diests.

Uh, dude. My response was a joke.

 

[Booko]

ALL of the "key player's" ideology lines up perfectly w/ Christianity; there may be some overlap with what may or may not have been 'Deism,' but there's no way to tell because it wasn't codified in the least.

It appears Franklin at least at one point called himself a Deist.

It would probably be more accurate to say that some or perhaps many of the Founding Dads were influenced by Deism.

 

[GuardianShua]

Can you name them with their secret society? And what do you mean by 'secret'? That nobody knows that it exists? or that people know but until they are a member, the rituals and proceedures are held in private?.

Most of the presidents have belonged to the Masons. By saying secret, it is understood that that information is not normally made known to the general public.
I had a list of who belongs to which group, but I do not know where it is now.
It's possible to find out who belongs to which group by doing an Internet search. For example the news papers mentioned that Bush was a member of Skull and Bones, and another article mentioned that Clinton was a member of Build a Burger.
The people who belong to these groups do not think of themselves as doing any wrong. As a matter of fact they are all involved in charitable deeds.

Naturally they think that everyone imagines vain things about them. I have personally met Masons who were Preachers and Rabbi's. All of the governments of the world are controlled by a secret society.
Things have been that way for 2000 years, and for some countries even longer.

 

[jonmichael818]

Most of the presidents have belonged to the Masons. By saying secret, it is understood that that information is not normally made known to the general public.
I had a list of who belongs to which group, but I do not know where it is now.
It's possible to find out who belongs to which group by doing an Internet search. For example the news papers mentioned that Bush was a member of Skull and Bones, and another article mentioned that Clinton was a member of Build a Burger.
The people who belong to these groups do not think of themselves as doing any wrong. As a matter of fact they are all involved in charitable deeds.

Naturally they think that everyone imagines vain things about them. I have personally met Masons who were Preachers and Rabbi's. All of the governments of the world are controlled by a secret society.
Things have been that way for 2000 years, and for some countries even longer.

Here is a CBS news article stating that George Bush, John Kerry, and others were "Bonesman."
-CBS/Secret Yale Society Includes America's Power Elite

And here is Bill Clinton admitting he has attended the Bilderberg group:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jmzWi_nhQg&playnext=1&list=PL0E421AE260DCCB95&index=2[/youtube]

 

[GuardianShua]

This thread has gone strangely quite.

 

[ChavaK]

Yes-its possible-but most masons don't know this-only the very top ones. I have heard a few different interviews from exmasons on various christian radio shows-and they have testified on this. I don't believe their lying -they seemed really sincere converted christians.
High level masons praising lucifier
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/luciferquotes.html

My father was a Shriner, which means he reached the top level of Masonry.
You know those evil Satanists, who do terrible things like put on circuses
and other fund raisers to support childrens hospitals that give free care?

I've met several other Orthodox Jews who are Maons/Shriners, and they would not be a part of an organization
if it was in secret a satanic group.

My father was not a Satanist, I can gaurantee you. He joined for business reasons, and for charitable reasons, which is probably why most people become Masons and Shriners.