Freedom

[Rick Otto]

I've been looking at Freeman issues, trying to get a clear picture of what has gone wrong with America & what if anything it's possible to do about it.

If you don't already know why military flags are in our courtrooms, or that our birth certificates establish a corporate trust, this might not make much sense to you. But if it does, I would appreciate informed comment.

If you just want to talk smack, save it.

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[revanneosl]

Rick, I've looked quite deeply into this and I believe that there is nothing to it. I urge you not to waste your time.

 

[Rick Otto]

Rick, I've looked quite deeply into this and I believe that there is nothing to it. I urge you not to waste your time.

Thanks for your reply.
Can you be more specific?

 

[tulc]

has there ever been a single instance where someone claiming the Freeman position has won a case in court?
tulc(would be interested in seeing info on that)

 

[CanadianAnglican]

No there hasn't, because their arguments have no legal merit.

I'd be curious for a theological perspective on them, too. There's a lot of speculation that the freemen movement is largely one designed to try and avoid paying taxes and fulfilling other legal obligations of citizens, which seems to go against biblical teachings about respecting governmental authority that is not in conflict with requirements of faith.

 

[Rick Otto]

No there hasn't, because their arguments have no legal merit.

I'd be curious for a theological perspective on them, too. There's a lot of speculation that the freemen movement is largely one designed to try and avoid paying taxes and fulfilling other legal obligations of citizens, which seems to go against biblical teachings about respecting governmental authority that is not in conflict with requirements of faith.

That would be the standard disinformative slur.

It has to do with lawfully & legally asserting one's rights.
You pay your taxes by discharging the debt against your "strawman", the security trust established by your birth certificate.
It's not illegal OR immoral.
That's just fear mongering & slander to keep you in control.
I'm not interested in winning court cases, I'm interested in staying OUT of court cases.

 

[CanadianAnglican]

Losing a court case is kind of the definition of unlawful, is it not?

In Canada, the term "Organized Pseudolegal Commercial Argument" is used to describe freemen, and one Justice in his ruling found:

OPCA litigants appear, engage in a court drama that is more akin to a magic spell ritual than an actual legal proceeding, and wait to see if the court is entranced and compliant. If not, the litigant returns home to scrutinize at what point the wrong incantation was uttered, an incorrectly prepared artifact waved or submitted.

I cannot yet post links, but if you're interested in the case, Meads v. Meads, 2012 ABQB 571, the judgement is available online. There are several other American judgements if you prefer to view it in American law, and while I'm not aware of any that use such flowery language, they all rule the same way.

 

[tulc]

That would be the standard disinformative slur.

It has to do with lawfully & legally asserting one's rights.
You pay your taxes by discharging the debt against your "strawman", the security trust established by your birth certificate.
It's not illegal OR immoral.
That's just fear mongering & slander to keep you in control.
I'm not interested in winning court cases, I'm interested in staying OUT of court cases.

Ok, has anyone ever successfully asserted their rights like this and stayed out of court? Could you supply say 4 examples of them doing so?
tulc(still just being curious)

 

[Rick Otto]

Ok, has anyone ever successfully asserted their rights like this and stayed out of court? Could you supply say 4 examples of them doing so?
tulc(still just being curious)

I'm sure some people have, & I've seen some successfull looking videos on youtube, but you're not likely to find any public media other than the internet, willing to publish. I've heard the cases that win don't get recorded & are uncitable according to statute.

I'm not selling this, I'm interested in learning about it.

As far as losing a court case,... no that is just a loss, not the definition of unlawful. Court cases can be appealed & decisions vacated &/or reversed.

Lawful, means in the case of government, "by consent".
And that consent must be informed & uncoerced.

Generaly, our consent is coerced by keeping us ignorant of it even being solicited & given, as in the case of at an arraignment, where they ask you if you are the person named on the charges. If you bother to look, the name they use to ask if it's you, is in ALL CAPS. It isn't a "psuedolegal" argument that all caps denotes a "corporate person", not a living being.

Just because you are right doesn't mean the "judge" (administrator) will co-operate.

 

[CanadianAnglican]

Given that when information has been provided to you contradicting the OPCA conspiracy theories you want to believe you've disregarded it or tried to dismiss it, I'll simply re-iterate the warning offered by revanneosl at the start of the thread, and encourage you to search the Scriptures, as Christ commanded, and encourage you strongly to read Romans 13.