Freedom of Speech

JacksBratt said:

Guess you didn't read it.
In the bible, the word for what they translate as "slave" is not what we call slaves.
Slaves were usually people working to pay off a debt.
Others were treated like family.. Not what we know of as slavery.
There is more in that article.. but... it goes wasted when people don't read it.

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miamited said:

Hi again @JacksBratt



I'm not following your line of reasoning here that because the Scriptures do establish a lot, if not all, of mankind's 'morals', how that somehow relates to any idea that we have a God given right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You'll get no argument from me that many nations establish their laws on the moral teachings of the Scriptures found basically in the 10 commandment law. However, there is still nowhere in the Scriptures that I can find that also teaches that such moral teachings provide a pathway of understanding that people then have a God given right to the 'rights' associated with the preamble. Yes, I do believe that in God's sight, all men are created equal, but even Daniel treated the king with a deference that he didn't use on others because of the kings position of authority over him. So, while they may be created equal, even in America we don't actually treat all men equal.

Nevertheless, the equality teachings of the Scriptures do not address the issue that God's word provides us with any teaching that people have the certain 'inalienable rights' found in the preamble.

God bless,
Ted

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disciple Clint said:

Well Ted here is the proof that inalienable right are in fact straight from God. Feel free to read the entire paper for your edification.
"MADE IN GOD’S IMAGE
We are made in God's image and thus are spiritual beings, designed to live under God’s authority.
By nature of being made in God’s image, we possess inalienable rights. Inalienable rights are
defined as those rights that are inherent to our personhood. They cannot be taken away, nor can
they be given away. Inalienable rights are defined as life, liberty, and property. These things are
supported in Scripture by virtue of being made in God’s image and by various commandments from
the Old Testament (Genesis 1:26, 9:6, the Ten Commandments) as well as the most basic
commandment affirmed in both the Old and New Testaments to love God and love others"
https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1530&context=gov_fac_pubs

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miamited said:

Hi @disciple Clint

Well, I would agree that it is proof of one person's understanding of the issue. He keeps repeating that our 'being made in God's image' somehow connects to our having these rights. I don't see that connection. I understand that being made in God's image means that we are a triparte being, just as God is. I do agree that the closing statement of the most basic command being to love God and love others. Let's try that instead. Maybe that's what it means to be made in God's image, that we are creatures with the capacity to love as God does, but sadly we don't practice it.

God bless,
Ted

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