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[SilverBear]

Guess you didn't read it.
In the bible, the word for what they translate as "slave" is not what we call slaves.
Slaves were usually people working to pay off a debt.
Others were treated like family.. Not what we know of as slavery.
There is more in that article.. but... it goes wasted when people don't read it.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. Leviticus 25:44-45

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. Exodus 21:20-21

 

[JacksBratt]

Hi @JacksBratt



No problem. According to a quick Google search, while the total number, depending on what site you go to is off by a few dozen, there were 743 homicides in Canada in 2020: Homicide in Canada, 2020

That would be 743 people that some person was able, despite your claim that it's an impossibility, to take their right to life.



God bless,
Ted

I am sure that you are intelligent enough to understand.....

Killing someone does not take away their right to life... It takes away their life.

Sure, they can kill you. However, that is a crime. A murderer doesn't take away the right that their victim has.. to life. They are a criminal because they have taken something that they have no right to take.

If you take away someones life, if you kidnap them and confine them by taking away their right to leave, or if you deprive someone of sleep, or money they earned, or land they purchased, or an activity that they enjoy.. you are in violation of that persons rights.

Police officers have to have just cause, under the laws of the land to kill, arrest and confine, or stop you from doing something that brings you happiness.

Without sufficient evidence of you breaking a law that justifies them in killing you, arresting you or stopping you from an activity.... they are, themselves breaking a law and can be diciplined with whatever the law associates as a just punishement.

I also believe that you are too intelligent to think that

 

[JacksBratt]

Hi again @JacksBratt



I'm not following your line of reasoning here that because the Scriptures do establish a lot, if not all, of mankind's 'morals', how that somehow relates to any idea that we have a God given right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You'll get no argument from me that many nations establish their laws on the moral teachings of the Scriptures found basically in the 10 commandment law. However, there is still nowhere in the Scriptures that I can find that also teaches that such moral teachings provide a pathway of understanding that people then have a God given right to the 'rights' associated with the preamble. Yes, I do believe that in God's sight, all men are created equal, but even Daniel treated the king with a deference that he didn't use on others because of the kings position of authority over him. So, while they may be created equal, even in America we don't actually treat all men equal.

Nevertheless, the equality teachings of the Scriptures do not address the issue that God's word provides us with any teaching that people have the certain 'inalienable rights' found in the preamble.

God bless,
Ted

Exodus 20:13

King James Version

13 Thou shalt not kill.

 

[disciple Clint]

Hi again @JacksBratt



I'm not following your line of reasoning here that because the Scriptures do establish a lot, if not all, of mankind's 'morals', how that somehow relates to any idea that we have a God given right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You'll get no argument from me that many nations establish their laws on the moral teachings of the Scriptures found basically in the 10 commandment law. However, there is still nowhere in the Scriptures that I can find that also teaches that such moral teachings provide a pathway of understanding that people then have a God given right to the 'rights' associated with the preamble. Yes, I do believe that in God's sight, all men are created equal, but even Daniel treated the king with a deference that he didn't use on others because of the kings position of authority over him. So, while they may be created equal, even in America we don't actually treat all men equal.

Nevertheless, the equality teachings of the Scriptures do not address the issue that God's word provides us with any teaching that people have the certain 'inalienable rights' found in the preamble.

God bless,
Ted

Well Ted here is the proof that inalienable right are in fact straight from God. Feel free to read the entire paper for your edification.
"MADE IN GOD’S IMAGE
We are made in God's image and thus are spiritual beings, designed to live under God’s authority.
By nature of being made in God’s image, we possess inalienable rights. Inalienable rights are
defined as those rights that are inherent to our personhood. They cannot be taken away, nor can
they be given away. Inalienable rights are defined as life, liberty, and property. These things are
supported in Scripture by virtue of being made in God’s image and by various commandments from
the Old Testament (Genesis 1:26, 9:6, the Ten Commandments) as well as the most basic
commandment affirmed in both the Old and New Testaments to love God and love others"
https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1530&context=gov_fac_pubs

 

[miamited]

Well Ted here is the proof that inalienable right are in fact straight from God. Feel free to read the entire paper for your edification.
"MADE IN GOD’S IMAGE
We are made in God's image and thus are spiritual beings, designed to live under God’s authority.
By nature of being made in God’s image, we possess inalienable rights. Inalienable rights are
defined as those rights that are inherent to our personhood. They cannot be taken away, nor can
they be given away. Inalienable rights are defined as life, liberty, and property. These things are
supported in Scripture by virtue of being made in God’s image and by various commandments from
the Old Testament (Genesis 1:26, 9:6, the Ten Commandments) as well as the most basic
commandment affirmed in both the Old and New Testaments to love God and love others"
https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1530&context=gov_fac_pubs

Hi @disciple Clint

Well, I would agree that it is proof of one person's understanding of the issue. He keeps repeating that our 'being made in God's image' somehow connects to our having these rights. I don't see that connection. I understand that being made in God's image means that we are a triparte being, just as God is. I do agree that the closing statement of the most basic command being to love God and love others. Let's try that instead. Maybe that's what it means to be made in God's image, that we are creatures with the capacity to love as God does, but sadly we don't practice it.

God bless,
Ted

 

[disciple Clint]

Hi @disciple Clint

Well, I would agree that it is proof of one person's understanding of the issue. He keeps repeating that our 'being made in God's image' somehow connects to our having these rights. I don't see that connection. I understand that being made in God's image means that we are a triparte being, just as God is. I do agree that the closing statement of the most basic command being to love God and love others. Let's try that instead. Maybe that's what it means to be made in God's image, that we are creatures with the capacity to love as God does, but sadly we don't practice it.

God bless,
Ted

Well Ted this is not just the understanding of one man, as I told you before there is an entire theology called moral theology, you might want to spend some time looking into it.

 

[tobyw]

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