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What would you say, a schizophrenic who is disconnected from the concept of his will to do much about it? Or a dementia patient who is all that a schizophrenic is but with even less will to control their body?
What about free will as a cause?
Are you having trouble understanding the question? Do you have some science to substantiate that opinion of yours, or is it just opinion?
Will is also an effect of previous causes; and so not free.
I'm not going through this again. We've had multiple threads on this recently and a great many people simply do not understand the concepts.
Will is also an effect of previous causes; and so not free.
You raise a good point. But I believe there is a difference between saying that will does not exist and saying that something prevents/hinders the exercise of our will. Does the schizophrenic or dementia patient have no will at all? Definitely not, but they might be hindered from exercising that will due to their condition.
Simple indeed.I have raised psychology as the "science to substantiate" twice already, do you not understand my simple English?
Simple indeed.
Hand-waving towards a field of study that is arguably not a science fails to substantiate your opinion.
If you have no scientific citations to support your opinion, just say so.
I didn't say free will didn't exist. But you did claim that nothing could override it. That's what I was responding to.
However: what is will if not something we can exercise? Does will exist to you, because you know you have it? How do you know you have it, because you exercise it?
so, I will the loss of my will? Presuming this is profound and new information, I should just be able to will myself not to lose my will anymore?
Science, philosophy and theology all seem to point to the answer no. At least if what you mean by free will is the power of contrary choice.
Not sure I understand what you mean here. Why will anyone will the lose of their will?
You said I would have to willingly submit to the influence that influences me to lose my will.
Personally, I don´t like the idea that my thoughts are uncaused, i.e. random.Do we actually choose our decisions, or are they chosen for us? Is our "rational" thought shaped merely by genetics, biochemistry, personal experience and other aspects of neurology, or are we capable of coming up with thoughts "for ourselves"? What the heck does that even mean?
Personally, I am tending towards the notion that our reactions are way more "impulsive" than it seems to us (not withstanding the post-hoc rationalizations we come up with).I'm honestly somewhere in the middle here. On one hand, I think that our brains are, essentially, organic computers -- they're biochemical reactions within a neurological structure which reacts to outside stimuli and data. On the other hand, we obviously possess some kind of ability to come to conclusions based upon that data that is not merely some kind of impulsive reaction; yes, our brain's processes are inherently reactions of some kind, but that doesn't mean that they're immediate or that our higher-order thinking is formed for us.
I have never really understood what people actually mean when saying "free will".Neurologically speaking, free will or lack thereof is an unproven hypothesis at best, so for now we're just going to have to settle with somewhat educated philosophical speculation.
Your statement is self contradictory. How did you even determine to do what you did if you did not first choose to do it (among all options available) with free will? Your idea of "could not have done otherwise" exists only in your imagination, I'm afraid.
My decision-making process is determined by prior causes. So, I think about the options and pick one, but my will and the way I think is outside of my control, in that they are formed by prior causes.
Why do I desire to go back to sleep?
Does this mean free-will cannot arise from some highly complex arrangement of matter?.....Decisions are made by the will of the mind, a wholly independent and functioning aspect of our human conscious. The will is not overpowered by anything, no matter how strong the influence might be, unless we submit our will to that thing's influence. This is what makes homo sapiens different from all observable things constructed of matter which function not by will but by patterns and laws of nature....
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