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Free Traders Case For Tariffs

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Richard T

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No evidence of your scenario of any anti-globalist wanting to break up countries. They simply usually prefer their own country over others.
The EU deepens and widens their agreements to unify. It seems to be working out for them. There are borders between U.S. states and each state has their own constitution and laws, though all are subject to Federal laws as well. I appreciate your answers but to me the evidence points towards a global path. Trump has given this thinking a step back but ultimately there will be a world system that is different from what we have now.
 
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1) The courts will decide that.
That can only happen if there is a lawsuit. It is not a general power of the courts to just decide things. There must be a lawsuit with standing. Whether a court rules or not (whether there is a case filed or not) the President does not have the authority to generate such tax increases arbitrarily.
The Senate passed *ONE* resolution about Trump's emergency declaration from February about *Canada*. The House has passed a "rule" to prevent the same resolution from getting a vote and Trump can (and will) veto if it manages to pass.
 
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Really? I've not been to USA, but I am surprised by this. Do you need to go through border control when you drive from one state to another, do you have to declare items you are carrying, show your passport, give reasons for entry, tell them where you are going and how long you are staying?
Trump has given this thinking a step back but ultimately there will be a world system that is different from what we have now.
Trump has expressed that he wants to expand USA, to take over Canada, Greenland and Gaza. Is Trump creating his own New World Order, is he globalising by making everywhere USA?
 
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I'm canadian we laughed at trump getting stuff we already planned, sorry but no he got NOTHING.
 
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Only in a few states, some check for agricultural goods. All states inspect trucks, some states inspect all boats. I do not think that Trump is thinking about world domination, he is just looking for opportunities, like a landlord seeking additional properties to make more money.
 
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I'm canadian we laughed at trump getting stuff we already planned, sorry but no he got NOTHING.
I'm American - we just got done laughing at Trudeau - Sorry you had to endure him.
 
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Stock markets slid again Friday as China matched new U.S. tariffs, deepening the trade war President Donald Trump kicked off this week and signaling more global economic turmoil ahead.​
Beijing announced an additional 34 percent tariff on U.S. goods, the same rate Trump had imposed on Chinese imports on Wednesday — a move that Chinese officials called “inconsistent with international trade rules.”​
The development signaled more pain on Wall Street, which suffered hefty losses a day earlier. At Friday’s close, the S&P 500 fell nearly 6 percent and the Dow Jones Industrial Average shed 5.5 percent. The tech-heavy Nasdaq was off 5.8 percent — firmly in bear market territory, or down more than 20 percent from its recent peak.​
This is the stupidest decision yet.

And now China and Europe are strengthening trade, which will leave the US out:


Hours after failing to stave off U.S. tariffs during meetings in Washington last month, the European Union’s trade representative landed in Beijing to a warmer reception. After meetings with Chinese officials, Maros Sefcovic, the trade representative, heralded E.U.-China ties, with both sides signaling their intent to deepen “trade and investment.”.....​
Europe has long looked warily on China’s economic power, discouraged from engaging by the U.S. but also out of a homegrown sense of distrust. But as President Donald Trump levies crippling tariffs on Europe, China and the rest of the world, the E.U. is cautiously looking to Beijing as one way to achieve what it now calls a need to “diversify” its economic partners in the face of U.S. aggression.​


This is utter stupidity.
 
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No - for people commuting from state to state there are no checks, no border control - that is part of how 15,000,000 illegals entered and dispersed so easily. There are truck weigh stations on the border of states - but that is to confirm weight.
 
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I do not think that Trump is thinking about world domination, he is just looking for opportunities, like a landlord seeking additional properties to make more money.
Or perhaps like an adversarial dictator with economic and military might looking to expand their empire.
 
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In my opinion, it is utter stupidity for the EU to strengthen economic binding with the 2nd most powerful nation in the world which also seeks to dominate the EU and the rest of the world. I believe that the EU will regret this move of theirs to China.
 
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Yawn......the same progressive leftist propaganda.....
If the tariffs raise the prices of everyday items everyone needs to buy then that is naturally going to impact the lower income brackets more as the price of everyday goods are a larger percentage of their incomes compared to wealthier households. You don’t need to be an economist to understand this.
 
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No one has answered the question:

If Tariffs are bad for the economy, why do over 150 nations have tariffs against the US? Are they trying to ruin their economy?
150 countries don’t have sweeping tariffs on nearly every product from every other trading partner on earth.
 
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Perhaps, but the EU has little choice but to try to expand their customer base.

Adding 20% tariffs to their cost structure would put lots of companies out of business. Their products would be much less competitive or their profit margins would be considerably less. Of course, their governments could simply repay the companies for any tariffs paid, but even that burden is greatly reduced if the companies find new markets. And countries could provide help for a few years while the affected companies develop new markets.

And this situation is even more severe for countries who have much higher tariffs. South Korea, Japan and Vietnam are also meeting with China to increase their economic ties.
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Trump's policy of America Alone will come closer and closer in the rest of his term of office.
 
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150 countries don’t have sweeping tariffs on nearly every product from every other trading partner on earth.
That doesn't answer the question -

If Tariffs are bad for the economy, why do over 150 nations have tariffs against the US? Are they trying to ruin their economy?
 
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Trump want a new world order. I suspect that he is going to get it.

China has been given a great opportunity.

Rather than continuing to be on the side of Russia and Iran, it can step back and do what it wants to do, expand economically to become the world's #1 economy.

China can leave Russia and North Korea for Trump to worry about.

China has a considerable opportunity to increase economic ties with the EU, with South Korea, with Vietnam and with other Asian countries. Australia and India would also feel the pressure as others become economically closer to China.
 
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That doesn't answer the question -

If Tariffs are bad for the economy, why do over 150 nations have tariffs against the US? Are they trying to ruin their economy?
Tariffs aren't inherently bad. STUPID tariffs are inherently bad. An across-the-board import tax is bad. A trade deficit tariff is truly beyond the pale, as crazy as it gets (and this assessment is extreme given that we are talking about Trump
 
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Here is why protectionism (tariffs in our case) are bad. "Many estimates have been made of the cost of "saving jobs" by protectionism. While the estimates differ widely across industries, they are almost always much larger than the wages of the protected workers. For example, one study estimated that in 1984 U.S. consumers paid $42,000 annually for each textile job that was preserved by import quotas, a sum that greatly exceeded the average earnings of a textile worker. That same study estimated that restricting foreign imports cost $105,000 annually for each automobile worker's job that was saved, $420,000 for each job in TV manufacturing, and $750,000 for every job saved in the steel industry. Yes, $750,000 a year! Free Trade, by Alan S. Blinder: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty

To answer your question why do other nations have tariffs on the USA is that many do not? Many goods are excluded from any tariffs, others have very low tariffs. Smaller and poorer nations are a bit more protective. Others just want to protect certain industries. Agriculture is the one area where no country really seeks to open their farmer/ranchers to worldwide competition. Many (even the USA) cheat with various workarounds. Here are average weighted tariffs of all goods. Notice Vietnam is 1.2% lower than the USA. Tariff Rates by Country 2025
Vietnam just happens to have been chosen as an alternative to China. So as far the the USA is concerned lots of stuff comes from there. Why are they being blamed for doing a great job producing products? If anything Vietnam did us a huge favor by providing an alternative to China. Nike's problem was they were too snug. They should have secondary sources of manufacturing that can ramp up. Rather than move to the USA, Nike should start producing in one of the South American 10% tariff nations. That would be cheaper than moving a factor to the USA.
 
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That doesn't answer the question
Yes it does.

Their tariffs aren’t commensurate with Trump’s sweeping tariffs on nearly everything we import. They aren’t living the same economic situation that the US is in. No country does. A lot of these countries have a more robust public safety net to compensate for the kind of economic impact this tariffs are looking to have in the US. They target specific domestic industries that a lot of these countries depend solely upon. We’re more economically diverse.

There’s lots of reasons why tariffs on our products are mostly fine for other countries while Trump’s plan to raise prices on everything for every American is bad for our economy and not for everyone else.
 
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