Free Speech

[OzSpen]

And these quotes actually demonstrate the opposite of what you claimed. Mr Craven was awarded considerable compensation for wrongful arrest and the police admitted that they mishandled the incident. The Craven case says a lot more about PCSOs than about freedom of speech. You also need to understand that a PCSO (Police Community Support Officer) is not a real police officer but a civilian with very limited powers, and the cynics would say, even less understanding of the law.

However, the Gay community has become very powerful, and some within it will use any opportunity to promote their views and attack anyone who disagrees with them.

If you disagree with someone, then there are wise ways of expressing that and unwise ways. You can disagree without being insulting. And if someone is drunk or looking for a fight, keeping quiet might be the best option.

Bless you, Hants, for including this additional information about which I was not aware.

Many thanks, Oz

 

[now faith]

Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one's opinions and ideas using one's body and property to anyone who is willing to receive them. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

The right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and is commonly subject to limitations based on the speech implications of the harm principle including libel, slander, obscenity and pornography, sedition, hate speech, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements.

The term "offense principle" is also used[1] to expand the range of free speech limitations to prohibit forms of expression where they are considered offensive to society, special interest groups or individuals. For example, freedom of speech is limited in many jurisdictions to widely differing degrees by religious legal systems, religious offense or incitement to ethnic or racial hatred laws.

This should help from Wikipedia,it shows that there are exceptions that are forbidden for the protection
Of others.
a rap giving glory to such a tragedy would certainly cause harm.

 

[JoshuaDaryl]

U.S. Constitution › First Amendment
FIRST AMENDMENT

The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition. It forbids Congress from both promoting one religion over others and also restricting an individual’s religious practices. It guarantees freedom of expression by prohibiting Congress from restricting the press or the rights of individuals to speak freely. It also guarantees the right of citizens to assemble peaceably and to petition their government.


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AMENDMENT I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


I believe though abuses of this right have weakened the spirit of the law, and caused people to doubt its credibility, take the legality of pornography as an example, it was argued and won under the guise of free speech, go figure

 

[JoshuaDaryl]

Yeah and we know How England follows this they arrest preachers preaching on the street saying homosexuality is a sin. It is against the law there to say anything that offend another person. I could care less about the UN, it not a one world government I am in America and I resist the one world government because at the head of it will be anit christ. The UN is a joke. No one follows the things they sign with them, but in America we can hold our elected officials accountable.

 

[JoshuaDaryl]

I do not believe in defending someone's free speech if that speech is hateful to others. Westboro Baptist Church, KKK, New Black Panther Party, and others are groups with exhibitions hateful of individuals and groups.

Be careful there

Police Arrest US Street Preacher in Scotland for Calling Homosexuality a Sin

Granted he was freed this time. But a precedent has been set.

who defines what is hateful, we have to allow others who spout things we do like the same freedoms we want, or else we ourselves lose.

That said, there also needs to be a line between direct, and or implied threats, verses, spouting off at the mouth. How many times have any of us in anger said something stupid, like I could kill you, I wish you were dead etc.... Now imagine being arrested and jailed for it...

 

[Bluelion]

Be careful there

Police Arrest US Street Preacher in Scotland for Calling Homosexuality a Sin

Granted he was freed this time. But a precedent has been set.

who defines what is hateful, we have to allow others who spout things we do like the same freedoms we want, or else we ourselves lose.

That said, there also needs to be a line between direct, and or implied threats, verses, spouting off at the mouth. How many times have any of us in anger said something stupid, like I could kill you, I wish you were dead etc.... Now imagine being arrested and jailed for it...

You make good points in your post, i just picked this one to respond to.

Like I said if we do not stand up for all free speak we can not stand up for any, it just doesn't work that way.

How long until preachers are jailed for refusing to marry gay couples? This is a concern of mine as I am going in to ministry and will never marry any gays. They will no doubt say I am promoting Hate. The church i serve will be fined no doubt and I may be jailed. Already a 2 business one a cake shop the other a florist refused to participate in a gay wedding and was fined 50,000 and 50,000 every time they said no to a gay couple. These are Christians business exercising there freedom of religion here in America, now they are told they must participate in gay weddings.

Preacher was arrest in California for preaching in front of a DMV, They charged him with preaching to a captive audience, however the DMV was closed at the time.

The are already trying right here in the USA to make preaching aginst Homosexuality Hate speech.

The reason they can do this is because people are unwilling to defend all free speech. You can not pick and choose. You must defend everyone's right equally.

 

[JesusFo11ower]

I would assume that because it is threatening (which nullifies freedom of speech if I understand it right) that is why they are charging him.

 

[Bluelion]

I would assume that because it is threatening (which nullifies freedom of speech if I understand it right) that is why they are charging him.

Yes,however, it is a song, Not a blanket threat. I think the school should kick him out. I think they have that right, but I do not think felony charges should be brought. That is uncalled for.

And who decides what is threatening, they may decide a Christian preaching sin will lead you to Hell and God will pour out His wrath on the world, as threatening. Should preachers be arrested?

 

[USCGrad90]

Like I said if we do not stand up for all free speak we can not stand up for any, it just doesn't work that way.

Our society has blurred what is right and wrong and I believe if we stand up for everything - then we essentially stand for nothing.
Here are some examples:
Would you oppose a satanic group from establishing a monument or church in your community? If Christians can have one, then you are saying that it is OK for satanists?
Would it be OK if I used the N-word? Some people say it, so should I be allowed to say it or tolerate those who do in the name of free speech?
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
When good men do nothing, evil triumphs. Evil, sin and sinful men must be opposed. God commands those who are good, not just to avoid evil but actively oppose it.

Christians are to not only to "have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but (also) reprove them" (Eph. 5:11). Those who do nothing about sin and evil, help the sin and evil to prevail. One who is silent when there are those around him in sin becomes a partaker with them (Eph. 5:7).

So much of the history of the struggle between good and evil can be explained by Edmund Burke's observation. Time and again those who profess to be good seem to clearly outnumber those who are evil, yet those who are evil seem to prevail far too often. Seldom is it the numbers that determine the outcome, but whether those who claim to be good men are willing to stand up and fight for what they know to be right.

Are we so afraid of having our rights taken away that we will fail to stand up when we see something inherently wrong? From the OP - a rapper spouts threatening verse, naming individuals, and detailing methods for violence - AND we should allow it to happen???

 

[Bluelion]

Our society has blurred what is right and wrong and I believe if we stand up for everything - then we essentially stand for nothing.
Here are some examples:
Would you oppose a satanic group from establishing a monument or church in your community? If Christians can have one, then you are saying that it is OK for satanists?
Would it be OK if I used the N-word? Some people say it, so should I be allowed to say it or tolerate those who do in the name of free speech?
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
When good men do nothing, evil triumphs. Evil, sin and sinful men must be opposed. God commands those who are good, not just to avoid evil but actively oppose it.

Christians are to not only to "have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but (also) reprove them" (Eph. 5:11). Those who do nothing about sin and evil, help the sin and evil to prevail. One who is silent when there are those around him in sin becomes a partaker with them (Eph. 5:7).

So much of the history of the struggle between good and evil can be explained by Edmund Burke's observation. Time and again those who profess to be good seem to clearly outnumber those who are evil, yet those who are evil seem to prevail far too often. Seldom is it the numbers that determine the outcome, but whether those who claim to be good men are willing to stand up and fight for what they know to be right.

Are we so afraid of having our rights taken away that we will fail to stand up when we see something inherently wrong? From the OP - a rapper spouts threatening verse, naming individuals, and detailing methods for violence - AND we should allow it to happen???

and tell me how long until someone does not like your words? If you say yes a persons should be arrested for words then you condemn your self and say you would like to be arrest for your words.

I don't think a person ever should be arrested for what they speak, a person can change there mind, and truth will always prevalent. what you propose is nothing new it has been done through out history.

The early church ruled Rome and much of the world for a time look what happen there. People of heretic faith were slaughter, and that is not the way of God or how His kingdom is spread.

Would I stand up for satanist to build a church no of course not, can I stop them if they have the backing no. I can flee that place as God said to do, and shake the dust from my feat.

But you can not say with government it should only be Christians churches, because as we saw with Rome that does not work, do I want other false god's in my country, NO! But I can not force People to God.

What is the sword of God? The Word of God. How does Jesus defeat the army at Armageddon with The Word. As Christians are most powerful weapon is freedom to preach God's word, because even if a satanist stands there and preaches hate I can stand next to him and preach Love.

I welcome people saying what they want will be easier to see their hearts. God's word does not sake at people speaking lies, It does not run. It is a light to the world.

We agree preaching God's word is Good, but how many disagree with us and think are freedom of speech should be taken away. This is not Judgement day, We are not angels sent to in act punishment on the world. We are to Love and forgive.

As far as fellowship yeah they said the same thing to Jesus. Image having dinner at a corrupt tax collector house and then with the Pharisees, no limits. What do you say to Jesus? Do you stick with your no fellowship with the sinful, because you are sinful, we are all corrupt at one time or another, not one of us has been faithful to God ever. So where is this group of people you speak that are less than us?

Another question How do you love the sinful, or your enemies if you have no fellowship with them? care to explain that? You have heard it said hate your enemies but I say Love them, pray for those who persecute you, do Good to those who do evil to you, do not repay evil with evil? Then you will be acting like true children of God.

 

[now faith]

50 years ago we would not have this subject.
It is as stated a political right,and such language ensues interpretation.

But hate speech should be a matter of common sense,not a right given by law.

But rocks do fly sometimes

 

[now faith]

Larry Flint pushed this agenda,as Christians we know better.
There is danger in toleration.

But 50 years ago Christians stood idle on civil rights,if we would have treated minorities right to begin with this sort of hate would not have flourished,or Larry Flint.

You will always reap what you sow.

 

[Bluelion]

50 years ago we would not have this subject.
It is as stated a political right,and such language ensues interpretation.

But hate speech should be a matter of common sense,not a right given by law.

But rocks do fly sometimes

But who says what is hate speech. the Bible has been accused of this very thing.

Look at this, if I said Homosexuality is unnatural, shameful perverted acted. Many Gays would say that is hate speech. However, I did not use any words that God did not use Him Self in Paul writings, so now the Bible is hate speech. and we are back to the end of days where Good is called evil and evil good.

 

[Bluelion]

Larry Flint pushed this agenda,as Christians we know better.
There is danger in toleration.

But 50 years ago Christians stood idle on civil rights,if we would have treated minorities right to begin with this sort of hate would not have flourished,or Larry Flint.

You will always reap what you sow.

The truth is Christians did not do it at all but satan did it. In the case of the gays satan did it to his own children to destroy Christianity. what came from both situations was hate. That is satan being convicted. The fruit it produced.