Freaky Question I've asked for a long time!!

[Jkurtz]

Here's a few questions for us to actively look at together, so my curiousity might be toned down.

1. What if God has repeated the process of creating the earth, having sin, than destroying it more than once. What if he's created humans multiple times, with multiple scenarios, and Jesus defeating death multiple times. What if there have been multiple revelations.
2. What is at the end of the universe.
3. If at the end of the universe it just goes on into nothing, isn't nothing in fact something?
4. How do people know the universe is Endless.
5. What if There's another planet with other life forms going through the same thing we are right now and also awaiting the revelation.

Questions to ponder.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Interesting questions, but I do not think that they can be answered in our lifetime. Put them on a list of things to ask God when you meet Him.

 

[RVincent]

Hello Jkurtz.

Very thought provoking questions!

1. What if God has repeated the process of creating the earth, having sin, than destroying it more than once.

I don't go along with "creating the earth" multiple times...but geological history shows multiple catastrophies over the eons. In my opinion, Satan, who was then a glorious cherub (Ezek. 28) may have screwed up more than once.

This begs the question, "Well, why didn't God just destroy him after the first time?"

For the same reason He doesn't destroy us "just like that". Satan is a soul creation of God (Ezek. 28:13-15)...just like we are. Made beautiful and the "full pattern". How would you feel about having to kill your own children?

Eventually, a time will come for us when repentence will be too late...that's what happened to Satan.

2. What is at the end of the universe.

There is a research on that here:

3. If at the end of the universe it just goes on into nothing, isn't nothing in fact something?

See number 2 above.

4. How do people know the universe is Endless.

They've never read the book (#2 above).

5. What if There's another planet with other life forms going through the same thing we are right now and also awaiting the revelation.

Other life forms, perhaps. In my opinion, they are not going through what we are...but I could be wrong. It isn't written.

 

[Asar'el]

Here's a few questions for us to actively look at together, so my curiousity might be toned down.

1. What if God has repeated the process of creating the earth, having sin, than destroying it more than once. What if he's created humans multiple times, with multiple scenarios, and Jesus defeating death multiple times. What if there have been multiple revelations.

Big IF. But IF it were so, and God hath not declared it, then it must not be important for us.

2. What is at the end of the universe.

My opinion: Empty space.

3. If at the end of the universe it just goes on into nothing, isn't nothing in fact something?

See above.

4. How do people know the universe is Endless.

The same way they 'know' everything else; they believe.

5. What if There's another planet with other life forms going through the same thing we are right now and also awaiting the revelation.

See #1. And for a problem, if death entered the world through Adam's sin, where does this leave the ETs ?

Questions to ponder.

Perhaps. Good thing they are kind-of short. I think there may be more interesting (and profitable) ones we could look at...

 

[Jkurtz]

Agreed. I had just finish watching that weird director that made the movie signs in a documentary. The guy is an idiot.

 

[major_minor]

Here's a few questions for us to actively look at together, so my curiousity might be toned down.

1. What if God has repeated the process of creating the earth, having sin, than destroying it more than once. What if he's created humans multiple times, with multiple scenarios, and Jesus defeating death multiple times. What if there have been multiple revelations.
2. What is at the end of the universe.
3. If at the end of the universe it just goes on into nothing, isn't nothing in fact something?
4. How do people know the universe is Endless.
5. What if There's another planet with other life forms going through the same thing we are right now and also awaiting the revelation.

Questions to ponder.

1) If He in fact has, did, or will, You still need to live your life accordingly. You will have to answer for your own life.
2) Who cares? Not being rude, but what does it matter. We can not get there yet, and my guess is Jesus will return before we can.
3) Again, are you looking for a pot of gold?
4) Have you been around the eart? Bottom of the sea? Start small.
5) If there is, as in the movie "The One", You still gonna answer to the Lord. Why worry. Make it to heaven, and all your questions will be answered.
Trick is, ...getting there.

Be blessed!

 

[ClementofRome]

Here's a few questions for us to actively look at together, so my curiousity might be toned down.

1. What if God has repeated the process of creating the earth, having sin, than destroying it more than once. What if he's created humans multiple times, with multiple scenarios, and Jesus defeating death multiple times. What if there have been multiple revelations.
2. What is at the end of the universe.
3. If at the end of the universe it just goes on into nothing, isn't nothing in fact something?
4. How do people know the universe is Endless.
5. What if There's another planet with other life forms going through the same thing we are right now and also awaiting the revelation.

Questions to ponder.

Thank God, there are still Christians willing to ask questions.

 

[Ron21647]

2. the end of the universe is where matter and light have not yet been in the expansion of the universe

3. there is nothing there yet. it won't exist until light or matter move into it

Ron

 

[Smidlee]

2. the end of the universe is where matter and light have not yet been in the expansion of the universe

3. there is nothing there yet. it won't exist until light or matter move into it

Ron

Actually the scientist claim there are stuff out there but the light hasn't got here yet. Or at least that's what they claim.

 

[Jkurtz]

Scientists can claim lots of things. But only when we're in heaven and we see it with our own eyes will anything be known!

 

[pressingon]

2. the end of the universe is where matter and light have not yet been in the expansion of the universe

3. there is nothing there yet. it won't exist until light or matter move into it

Ron

This is one of those questions that's difficult to get your mind around, huh? I'm sure that it's also one we'll only get an answer to when we get to heaven. It's definitely interesting to ponder, though.

My thought would be that if the universe is finite and expanding, that means it's either under a constant state of Creation by God or is created by the things God put in the universe as it expands (although I have a hard time with the latter, as it would seem to imply that the Creator endowed universe creation powers to part of His creation).

Because of the above, and because I lean toward a straightforward reading of Scripture ("In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth..."), I tend to believe that God created the universe all at once, and that it's infinite. Again, definitely one of those things I'll ask when I get to Heaven -- I know I'll never know the truth of these here.

 

[Jkurtz]

2. the end of the universe is where matter and light have not yet been in the expansion of the universe

3. there is nothing there yet. it won't exist until light or matter move into it

Ron

But that's what I asked. Nothing is in fact something. So what is the nothing we speak of!?

 

[Ron21647]

This is one of those questions that's difficult to get your mind around, huh? I'm sure that it's also one we'll only get an answer to when we get to heaven. It's definitely interesting to ponder, though.

My thought would be that if the universe is finite and expanding, that means it's either under a constant state of Creation by God or is created by the things God put in the universe as it expands (although I have a hard time with the latter, as it would seem to imply that the Creator endowed universe creation powers to part of His creation).

Because of the above, and because I lean toward a straightforward reading of Scripture ("In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth..."), I tend to believe that God created the universe all at once, and that it's infinite. Again, definitely one of those things I'll ask when I get to Heaven -- I know I'll never know the truth of these here.

it isn't expanding because of new things being created or otherwise being put in, it expanding because it was created with everything moving away from everything else.

We can see this today by observing the red shift of distant galaxies.

You can find out a lot about this by doing a google search on "big bang" and finding a tutorial put there by a university. regardless of what you think of that theory, philosophically or theologically, it will explain a lot of this.

I prefer to think that the big bang happened because God did it.

Ron

 

[Ron21647]

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But that's what I asked. Nothing is in fact something. So what is the nothing we speak of!?

nothing is not in fact something.

spacetime itself is created by the electric and magnetic fields inherent in light (or other frequencies of electromagnetic energy - X-rays, radio waves, etc)

the reason the speed of light is constant is because the electric and magnetic fields, taken together, do not need a medium to propagate in. The fields create each other and are in fact the only medium needed.

read my previous post and find some good sites on big bang

Ron

 

[Jkurtz]

nothing is not in fact something.

Sure it is. When it's dark in a room and your friend says, can you say anything. and you say, no. You're actually looking at things. You're actually looking at darkness, or anything else. So what do you think. What is the nothingness in the universe. What is in the dark (which is something.)

 

[Ron21647]

well, I guess you've got me there. Maybe you should take this up to the "All Members" Science and Evolution forum. They have quite a few real physicists up there.

Ron

 

[Bushido216]

1) If He in fact has, did, or will, You still need to live your life accordingly. You will have to answer for your own life.
2) Who cares? Not being rude, but what does it matter. We can not get there yet, and my guess is Jesus will return before we can.
3) Again, are you looking for a pot of gold?
4) Have you been around the eart? Bottom of the sea? Start small.
5) If there is, as in the movie "The One", You still gonna answer to the Lord. Why worry. Make it to heaven, and all your questions will be answered.
Trick is, ...getting there.

Be blessed!

Sadly there are still Christians who will promptly shoot their fellows down.

 

[Underdog77]

Sadly there are still Christians who will promptly shoot their fellows down.

Like you for instance.

In answer to the original post:

1) I don't believe in multiple creation, etc... If it were true then our Bible would be false. It tells us that Jesus died once and for all. All who have sinned, are sinning, and will sin can have salvation if they ask for it.

But if Christ had to be sacrificed over and over then our Bible is either mistaken or lying.

2-4) Interesting questions to ponder. I don't know the answers but its fun to think on those for while. Just don't get too caught up in them.

5) Again I don't know if there is "intelligent life" on other planets, I don't even know if there is unintelligent life elsewhere. But I agree with one of the former posters here, I doesn't really matter to us. We have been given instructions (Bible) and living our lives for God in a manner that brings praise to Him is what we are here to do. Still, I wonder if there is intelligent life...

 

[pressingon]

it isn't expanding because of new things being created or otherwise being put in, it expanding because it was created with everything moving away from everything else.

But what is it expanding into? You stated in your point #3 that that stuff just outside the edge of the universe doesn't exist until our universe expands into it (light, matter, etc.). If our universe is expanding, doesn't that mean that more of the "non-universe" stuff is becoming part of our universe, or at least that more empty space fills it? Where does new empty space come from, if it's not created? The universe is not like a balloon, completely filled with something that can simply become less dense when it expands... it contains empty space (in addition to matter, energy, etc.), which has no mass, no density, but is, in my understanding completely empty.

I guess that, in addition to Biblical teachings, is why I believe the universe is infinite. It may not be filled completely with matter or energy, but I can't see how it could have an edge.

We can see this today by observing the red shift of distant galaxies.

I'm not questioning that movement of stars and galaxies away from us is one possible explanation for observed red shifts, just the what's at the edge of the universe part.

You can find out a lot about this by doing a google search on "big bang" and finding a tutorial put there by a university. regardless of what you think of that theory, philosophically or theologically, it will explain a lot of this.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm fairly well-versed in big bang cosmology, but if I have questions or need clarifications, I'll look it up.

I prefer to think that the big bang happened because God did it.

Ron

I certainly don't question the "God did it" part, but I can't say I agree with most of the big bang theory. That's not the topic of discussion here, though.

Anyway, all of this is just my point of view, of course. The bottom line is that we'll never know what's outside of our universe (if anything) short of heaven... it's simply not observable.

 

[Jkurtz]

Anyway, all of this is just my point of view, of course. The bottom line is that we'll never know what's outside of our universe (if anything) short of heaven... it's simply not observable.

Ah, but heaven is a spiritual place, so there for outside of our universe, there's nothing. What I'd like to know, is what is the nothing. Heaven is not of anything physical, it's spiritual so it couldn't be out there!