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Well, you basically have one person working overtime to come up with "what ifs." There's nothing more to it than that, and he's never proven a single one of his speculations.As usual, when I get into a discussion about Freemasonry where at least one professional anti-mason is present, the discussion get surreal.
We have people claiming here that Freemasonry and Christianity are not compatible or that you can't be a Mason and a Christian. We also have claims that Freemasonry is involved in wars against a Christian group and murders as well, etc.
Now lets get back to reality...
look at the lynchings during the civil rights movement
the KKK had many "active Christians" as members
that does not mean that Christianity is compatible with racism
you pointed out there are active Catholics who are members of your lodge
so?
you can find nominal Christians in every denomination
people who go to services, but live in a way that is incompatible with the Christian faith
Rhamiel, you aren't listening. These folks aren't "nominal Christians." They are deeply involved in their churches, several of them certified by training to teach and preach in the Church and others ordained clergy in the Church. Certified lay ministers and ordained clergy aren't "nominal Christians."
May I ask Rhamiel how much theological training you have? You are dismissing people as "nominal Christians" who have advanced theological degrees, have gone through extensive training, and years of approval processes and many who have been ordained elders (priests) in the Church.
Just as an example, it takes a minimum of nine (9) years of training, schooling, examination, and work in the Church to get ordained in the United Methodist Church as an Elder (Priest). It take three or more years of schooling to just be certified to preach as a lay minister without ordination.
These are the men running lodges who are freemasons. Trained, committed, active, and serious Christians.
If you have some real charge to make against Freemasons in the United States how about you provide some real, not made up, evidence which includes verifiable facts. Otherwise you are bearing false witness.
To whom do you refer? And what is your source for that charge? Cordially, Skip.Albion said:The one who posts here most often and once was a Mason until disciplined by his lodge
Actually I do because I have researched the topic. I'd suggest you consult an online dictionary as the starting point for your long-overdue research. You are clearly in ignorance of what it means and teaches. And I think your being called on it is quite a blow to your pride. You sound like someone who is not used to being questioned, and who certainly does not like it.circuitrider said:Maybe you don't understand fundamentalism as well as you think you do, or you are too close to the subject.
I think you are quite incorrect over that.Everyone who is a Christian believes their understanding of Christianity is "Biblical Christianity."
Why would the one preclude the other in your mind? It would seem that the very fact that I oppose Freemasonry is sufficient in your opinion to make such an incorrect claim. As noted earlier, if you really want to find out the truth on that matter, start and thread and see where we go with it. Cordially, Skip.I know enough about your career in anti-masonry to say that I'd not take your word for what is or isn't Biblical Christianity.
Which speaks volumes about their hypocrisy. Cordially, Skip.Albion said:There are active, serious Catholics in my lodge, ...
Which speaks volumes about their hypocrisy. Cordially, Skip.
Which speaks volumes about their hypocrisy. Cordially, Skip.
Here we go judging others!
All based on what you believe. Not based on fact. Based on what YOU believe to be the truth.
this is not really based on the personal beliefs of anyone
this is objective
you can not be a good Catholic AND be a Mason
because one of the rules of the Catholic Church is that you cannot be a Mason
this is not really based on the personal beliefs of anyone
this is objective
you can not be a good Catholic AND be a Mason
because one of the rules of the Catholic Church is that you cannot be a Mason
I disagree, as do thousands of Catholics. Ultimately there is but one judge. No one can say with certainty that he's Catholic.
No. That's just silly. We are talking about Christians and you are saying that your Christian standards are different from the Christian standards of other Christians...so .you feel free to liken them to pagans! IMO that's not only nonsense, it's highly disrespectful.this is like saying
"you can be a good United Methodist and worship Vishnu"
no, you can't because that action is incompatible with the UMC
so, the thousands of Catholics who are Freemasons, are doing something that is against the objective rules of the Catholic Church
this is like saying
"you can be a good United Methodist and worship Vishnu"
no, you can't because that action is incompatible with the UMC
so, the thousands of Catholics who are Freemasons, are doing something that is against the objective rules of the Catholic Church
like, this is not "agree" or "disagree"
the Catholic Church, and many other Churches, are against Freemasonry
I'm a bit confused here Rhamiel. What action is incompatible with the UMC?
As an ordained United Methodist Elder in Full Connection with the UMC I can tell you that being a Freemason is not incompatible with the Discipline or teaching of the United Methodist Church. You will fine no statement of opposition in any of our doctrines or teachings.
Do mean to say that you, an ordained minister of the Gospel in good standing in the United Methodist Church, think you know more about the church's standards and requirements...than Rhamiel does?????
I'm a bit confused here Rhamiel. What action is incompatible with the UMC?
As an ordained United Methodist Elder in Full Connection with the UMC I can tell you that being a Freemason is not incompatible with the Discipline or teaching of the United Methodist Church. You will find no statement of opposition in any of our doctrines or teachings.
Ithese are not some fringe denominations, while the Church of Scotland is not a huge denomination, they are still seen as a mainline Protestant Church are they not?
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