Fossils

[Assyrian]

I need to learn morea bout Theistic Evolution... I don't know enough to come to a conclusion on which is right. I've always taken Genesis' Adam and Eve literally, myself, so that's an issue for me as well.

Hi AnomalousSilence
Gen 3:14&15 The LORD God said to the serpent... he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel. Here is a question for you to think over when you are trying to understand how we should interpret Genesis. Does Genesis tell us that Jesus was actually going to step on a snake?

 

[steen]

For the Theistic Evolutioninists - mine explaining why there are no half-this/half-that remains and fossils, and only remains of the "full" creatures? Surely we'd find a halffrog halffish thing somewhere...

Actually, nothing in the Scientific Theory of Evolution says that we should find such mixed entities. What gave you the idea that we ought to?

 

[steen]

I need to learn morea bout Theistic Evolution... I don't know enough to come to a conclusion on which is right.

I would suggest that you do, yes. because trying to 'attack" it or come up with "witty" claims against it when you don't even know what it is, that frankly doesn't do much for your credibility and comes across as insulting and ridiculing. So thanks for your decision to avoid such posts in the future.

 

[steen]

That's why Stephen J. Gould was pushing Punctuated Equalibrium. For some magical reason, when one kind of animal is transforming into another kind of animal, Evolution would go supersonic, and move so fast that the fossil record couldn't track it. And, then once the transformation was complete, Evolution would put on the breaks and drop a million fossils of a fixed species in the fossil record.

Poke, you have posted posts against Evolution for awhile. Why is it that even now you really don't have any real knowledge about what Evolution is? Why are you here, Poke?

 

[steen]

If Evolution is true, then all fossils should be transitional fossils.

They are. Just like you are a transitional individual between your parents and your children.

Archaeopteyx has ultra-modern feathers.

Really? Would you mind proving that claim? It sounds like outright nonsense according to the scientific evaluation of these.

That alone is fatal to your transitional fossil claim. The consensus among scientists is that archaeopteryx is too high in the fossil record to be a transitional ancestor to birds.

Why are you making false claims about science?

 

[steen]

Um... not sure what your asking random_guy.

Also, how do TE's think of Adam and Eve? They were microscopic organisms that tended a garden, named animals, and.... wait... were those few celled organisms, too? Didn't Adam and Eve also think and were tempted to eat the fruit?

What is the significance of this question to the issue of fossils or Evolution?

Are you trying to indicate that if you accept the Scientific Evidence, then you can not hold Christian faith? That would be a bogus, utterly false claim.

As I read your post, you seem to try to indicate that TE are not Christian. Is that an accurate interpretation?

 

[shernren]

Chill, steen. AS is just curious and asking questions to figure out things. I think he's entitled to his doubts, especially seeing as all he's getting is "TEs don't really agree on Adam and Eve", which would be a pretty disappointing reply

To AS: I know TEism can be a bit daunting to you, but really, all TEism really means is "Christianity for Christians who think evolution actually happened". Taking evolution into account can have interesting consequences for some areas of theology, especially Bible interpretation, but overall most TEs "carry in" their own theology into TEism. That's why you'll see some saying Adam and Eve were real people (like me), some say Adam and Eve are representative of the first human community, or some say that Adam and Eve represent humanity in general. In each case you have different theological nuances coloring the story of evolution and giving a different feel to it. I think that whether or not Adam and Eve were historical people, the more illuminating and important question to ask TEs is how they believe original sin came about.

Poke: What are your criteria for determining whether or not a fossil is intermediate? IOW, if I showed you a fossil, how would you determine whether or not it is "transitional" from your point of view?

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

[ultramodern]Really? Would you mind proving that claim? It sounds like outright nonsense according to the scientific evaluation of these.

Who knows where he got "ultramodern" but I've seen them classified as modern, as compared to the primative proto-feathers seen on earlier fossils.

<heh> now I've forgotten the names of the structures they look at in the feathers to classify them, ah well, google around on feather structure and you should get something.

(try ultramodern too just for the fun of it )