Fossilized Termite Nests and the Flood

[timlamb]

Well yes I do, if you believe the bible over the evidence of your own eyes I would say that you are close minded.





I am open to scientific evidence that proves biblical myths as well, I just haven't been presented with any yet.



Why don't you go away and read up on it, you creationists are so lazy you always expect us to go away and spend hours collating data for you, and then you either don't understand it, don't read it, or reject it for no good reason

Tell you what, you go away and search peer reviewed or text book scientific data on symbiosis and you get back and give us your considered opinion on it. So far all we have is your disbelief which, last time I checked, isn't a good argument.

here's a helpful hint

Google: Symbiosis, lichen, human stomach bacteria, clown fish, evolution, insect pollination.

Lets see a creationist sweat in the data mines for a change

"Biblical Myths", Sounds like your mind is made up, based on theories, which is what evolution is.
You evolutionists are such antagonists! You rejoice when you think you have contradicted the bible and give the "in your face" attitude. Then you get angry when some one sees things differently.
Termites don't put metel roofs on their homes, they get rained on, they stand up to water.
I picture a deeply wooded ravine with mounds scattered around the hill sides, (with mounds that big there must have been alot of woody plands for food). The flood comes, washes the debris into the low land intombing everything. What is left behind is flat land.

Hey Mr. Baggins, I am not the one with the burden of proof. I would like to know more than I do. But I have better things to do than to try to disprove something that has never been proven to begin with.

You are not shy, if you had evidence you would be shoving it in my face.

I asked good questions, and I think it is safe to assume that termite spit stands up to water to some degree. Termites also do not go far to start new colonies. It makes sense to find many nests in a close proximity.

My speculations make as much sense as anything I have heard out of you, so proove me wrong, I'll look at the evidence. You just have to accept that me being wrong doesn't make you right.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Why don't you go away and read up on it, you creationists are so lazy you always expect us to go away and spend hours collating data for you, and then you either don't understand it, don't read it, or reject it for no good reason


after spending hours searching, reading and trying to understand the material. i read a posting that confesses ignorance of even a basic term then demands "show me the evidence". it is getting a little thin here. the YECist community appears to lack the curiousity and incentive to dig into the online data to see how things might fit together. and when presented with evidence they appear to systematically misread and misunderstand it.

i'm glad to see i'm not the only one that thinks this way. I'd love to see a neat argument begin with a YECist posting something new.

 

[Valkhorn]

the YECist community appears to lack the curiousity and incentive to dig into the online data to see how things might fit together

They don't want to because they can't possibly fathom that they are wrong.

 

[dlamberth]

Good luck showing logical explinations to be poor.

When the logic is not based upon reality, it becomes crazy and does not make sense.

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[Baggins]

"Biblical Myths", Sounds like your mind is made up, based on theories, which is what evolution is.
You evolutionists are such antagonists! You rejoice when you think you have contradicted the bible and give the "in your face" attitude. Then you get angry when some one sees things differently.

I couldn't give a hoot about disproving the bible, the only thing I care about in relation to the bible is that its creation myths are not taught to children in science classes.

Termites don't put metel roofs on their homes, they get rained on, they stand up to water.
I picture a deeply wooded ravine with mounds scattered around the hill sides, (with mounds that big there must have been alot of woody plands for food). The flood comes, washes the debris into the low land intombing everything. What is left behind is flat land.

In stead of making up fantasies about what it was like then why don't read the US Geological Survey paper on the Morrison group and get some real evidence of what it was like. The evidence is placed at your feet and instead of reading it you'd prefer to fantasise about what it was like.

Hey Mr. Baggins, I am not the one with the burden of proof. I would like to know more than I do. But I have better things to do than to try to disprove something that has never been proven to begin with.

Symbiosis and it's evolution has loads of evidence to backk it up, if you are too lazy to read up about it, that is not my problem. Live in ignorance all you like, I care not a jot.

You are not shy, if you had evidence you would be shoving it in my face.

You have a computer, you have a search engine, I have provided a few key words, look it up yourself, what are you afraid of, learning something?

My speculations make as much sense as anything I have heard out of you, so proove me wrong, I'll look at the evidence. You just have to accept that me being wrong doesn't make you right.

You have been proved wrong on every page of this thread, if you are lazy or unintelligent to read or understand the links provided, then that is your problem not mine.

What makes us right is evidence, what makes you wrong is lack of evidence. Your position is falsified ours at this time is unfalsified, it is up to you to falsify it.

Good Luck

 

[JohnR7]

I couldn't give a hoot about disproving the bible, the only thing I care about in relation to the bible is that its creation myths are not taught to children in science classes.

Evolution is a myth, do you care if they are teaching that in science class?

 

[timlamb]

I couldn't give a hoot about disproving the bible, the only thing I care about in relation to the bible is that its creation myths are not taught to children in science classes.



In stead of making up fantasies about what it was like then why don't read the US Geological Survey paper on the Morrison group and get some real evidence of what it was like. The evidence is placed at your feet and instead of reading it you'd prefer to fantasise about what it was like.




Symbiosis and it's evolution has loads of evidence to backk it up, if you are too lazy to read up about it, that is not my problem. Live in ignorance all you like, I care not a jot.




You have a computer, you have a search engine, I have provided a few key words, look it up yourself, what are you afraid of, learning something?



You have been proved wrong on every page of this thread, if you are lazy or unintelligent to read or understand the links provided, then that is your problem not mine.

What makes us right is evidence, what makes you wrong is lack of evidence. Your position is falsified ours at this time is unfalsified, it is up to you to falsify it.

Good Luck

I figured you were only here to talk trash. I agree, creation doesn't belong in science class, it's history.

You are lying when you say you don't care about the bible. You have closed your mind because there is a bible and creation. You would look at the evolution theory more realisticaly if you did not feel threatened by God, and creation.

I will listen to anything you have to say, but why would I seek out the wisdom of a man without faith to question the truth of God. There are so many possible explainations but you will not consider one that would even allow for the flood to have occured. There are flood stories from peoples all around the earth; people who never heard of the bible or noah know there was a flood. The thing that makes the biblical story of noah authentic is that it comes with a verifiable family tree. The bible is better documented that anything darwin dreamed up.

But, without a desire to know God, you will choose to not believe it.

 

[pantsman52]

There are flood stories from peoples all around the earth; people who never heard of the bible or noah know there was a flood.

Does the concept of civilizations sprouting up near rivers ring any bells in your head? Ofcourse there are flood stories from people all around the earth, because rivers have a tendancy to flood!

 

[Baggins]

I figured you were only here to talk trash. I agree, creation doesn't belong in science class, it's history.

Total agreement there

You are lying when you say you don't care about the bible. You have closed your mind because there is a bible and creation. You would look at the evolution theory more realisticaly if you did not feel threatened by God, and creation.

No, I really don't care about the bible. I have looked at the evidence and come the conclusion that science explains the universe perfectly adequately for me. I don't feel the need for religion. I am an agnostic because I cannot exclude god from the universe using evidence, but I tend towards Atheism, I think it more likely there is no god. I don't feel threatened by god ( because it doesn't exist ) and I don't feel threatened by creation because I am in awe of the universe -just look at those hubble deep field photos with their uncountable galaxies in that is humbling, but it doesn't threaten me. What does threaten me literally and metaphorically is religious fundamentalism, the greatest blight on this earth.

I will listen to anything you have to say, but why would I seek out the wisdom of a man without faith to question the truth of God. There are so many possible explainations but you will not consider one that would even allow for the flood to have occured.

Science entertains all natural evidence. The evidence for a global flood was tested 200 years ago by christian geologists and was found wanting, it has been a moribund theory for 200 years, what is there to consider anymore. Any evidence you could bring to the table has probably been found to falsify the biblical flood decades ago, but if you think you can prove the biblical flood I'd be interested to read your evidence.

There are flood stories from peoples all around the earth; people who never heard of the bible or noah know there was a flood. The thing that makes the biblical story of noah authentic is that it comes with a verifiable family tree. The bible is better documented that anything darwin dreamed up.

Quite untrue, Darwin backed his theory with evidence, you have a myth. The biblical myth of the flood is obviously copied from earlier Babylonian myths any way.

But, without a desire to know God, you will choose to not believe it.

I don't choose not to believe it, the evidence shows it to be untrue, the evidence points towards a 4.6 billion year old earth that has never suffered a global flood. It has been debated many times on here and the proponents of the biblical flood have only ever proved that they don't understand the science.

 

[urbanxy]

There are flood stories from peoples all around the earth; people who never heard of the bible or noah know there was a flood. The thing that makes the biblical story of noah authentic is that it comes with a verifiable family tree. The bible is better documented that anything darwin dreamed up...

If the Biblical Flood destroyed all human life except Noah and his family, then where did the "flood stories from peoples all around the earth" come from?

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[Baggins]

Evolution is a myth, do you care if they are teaching that in science class?

No, because you are wrong, it isn't a myth it is a well evidenced scientific theory and therefore the science class is exactly the right place for it.

Just because you don't like it for religious reasons doesn't mean it isn't correct.

 

[OdwinOddball]

You are lying when you say you don't care about the bible. You have closed your mind because there is a bible and creation. You would look at the evolution theory more realisticaly if you did not feel threatened by God, and creation.

Gotta love those Christian mind readers. Not only do they know how I should best live my life, they know what I am thinking.

Hey, heres an idea, why don't you ask an Agnostic or Atheist why he is that way instead of projecting your own limited concepts onto them. I think the answers might surpise you.

But, without a desire to know God, you will choose to not believe it.

An oldie, and still a stinker. One does not choose to believ. You either do, or you don't. I did not choose to become an Atheist. The lack of evidence for god, the many contradictions in the bible, and the behavior of supposed Christians demonstrated the fallacy in Christianity for me.

As I said, why don't you try actually asking why an Atheist is an Atheist instead of assuming you have all the answers with no evidence.


Oh wait, nevermind, for a second I forgot that making assumptions like that is pretty much required to be religious. Evidence doesn't matter if it contradicts the Bible.

 

[Baggins]

. I did not choose to become an Atheist. The lack of evidence for god, the many contradictions in the bible, and the behavior of supposed Christians demonstrated the fallacy in Christianity for me.

Good point Odwin. It is the behaviour of supposed chistians that puts more people off christianity than just about anything else I can think of.

 

[timlamb]

Good point Odwin. It is the behaviour of supposed chistians that puts more people off christianity than just about anything else I can think of.

If you blame your lack of faith on other people then you are looking for God in the wrong places. Judge Jesus on his own merits, I make mistakes.

 

[TasManOfGod]

http://www2.nature.nps.gov/geology/publications/hot_topic/ht_morrison.htm


It has been posted a number of times

While that document is a good read and gives insight of the evidence that the global flood actually reached America as well, it didn't actually answer the request concerning evidence of multiple termite nests on different "layers"
I did however glean this much from it....

Abundant trace fossils indicate that many other organisms found homes in the Morrison ecosystem. Termite nests as much as 40 m (130 ft) tall in the lower part of the formation in the southern San Juan Basin of northwestern New Mexico indicate that the water table there was at least that far beneath the surface

...but that hardly answers my request (although the passage does gives give excellent evidence of the Flood) . Did I miss something?
Perhaps a good lesson here when you ask somebody to give an opinion on something specific that you support that request with accurate detail

 

[TasManOfGod]

If the Biblical Flood destroyed all human life except Noah and his family, then where did the "flood stories from peoples all around the earth" come from?

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The descendants of Noah were dispersed across the post Flood world and the account of it got handed down. That is why most civilization have a "flood" story even if it is not accurate.

 

[Baggins]

While that document is a good read and gives insight of the evidence that the global flood actually reached America as well, it didn't actually answer the request concerning evidence of multiple termite nests on different "layers"
I did however glean this much from it....
...but that hardly answers my request (although the passage does gives give excellent evidence of the Flood) . Did I miss something?
Perhaps a good lesson here when you ask somebody to give an opinion on something specific that you support that request with accurate detail

If you think 7 million years of arid semi-desert is good evidence for a flood then you are obviously not mentally capable of assimilating evidence at all, so what good would giving you more evidence do? It would only confuse your mind even more.

You don't have even a basic understanding of the science of geology so what is the point of putting geological evidence before you?

 

[urbanxy]

The descendants of Noah were dispersed across the post Flood world and the account of it got handed down. That is why most civilization have a "flood" story even if it is not accurate.

One would think the Egyptian and Mesopotamian Civilizations would have noticed and/or recorded a worldwide flood somewhere in their histories.

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[Baggins]

While that document is a good read and gives insight of the evidence that the global flood actually reached America as well,

Startling evidence of your level of intellect

Things like this really make me despair.

Absolutely pitiful, I look inside myself and find to my own shock that I really do pity you.

 

[Baggins]

If you blame your lack of faith on other people then you are looking for God in the wrong places. Judge Jesus on his own merits, I make mistakes.

I don't blame fundamentalists for my own lack of faith, I grew up in the Church of Wales and there wasn't much fundamentalism there. . Once I understood science the only room I could see for god was in the gaps and as those gaps disappear so does god.

I was just saying that they drive away more people from faith than anything else I can think of.