Fossilized Termite Nests and the Flood

[Baggins]

Wrong. All your "evidence" is theoretical garbage which relies on rediculous chance about which you can't even logically back up.

have you read Turner and Paterson USGA 1998 yet Shinbits, you said you were going to.

Too much for you is it to have to read a peer reviewed paper by 21 leading geologists at the US Gological Survey that shreds your silly arguments in one lovely go.

How do you account for 7 million years of arid semi-desert and termite mounts 170 feet tall buried in desert sandstones with your flood shinbits, its a simple question.

You've been very silent on this matter.

Learn something Shinbits you might be dangerous then instead of pitiable

 

[Baggins]

yes. And it's not brilliant, it's retarded.


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Your debating skills have retarded to a kindergarten level Shinbits, which is where your geological education appears to have stopped as well, if indeed it ever started, which I find hard to believe.



Learn something Shinbits read; Turner and Paterson USGS 1998 and try to explain all that peer reviewed evidence away

 

[caravelair]

The flood would do exactly that.

no it wouldn't! why on earth would it do that? have we ever observed flooding to cause fossilization? have we ever observed anything fossilizing in a single year? i don't think that we have. no, sorry, floods do NOT do this, nor should we expect them to.

you are just taking whatever phenomena we show you and baselessly claiming that the flood would cause this, without knowning anything about the processes involved.

It's been explained how many many times in this thread.


For tons of sand to neatly erode away and reveal a nest, that would require incredible luck.

that's just the thing... NO it would not require luck, and you have not shown anywhere in this thread that it would. erosion is a fact, shinbits, we observe it to occur.

The wind and water would have to consitantly erode off the nest without covering it up again, for thousands of years.

and what we observe in our environment is that some places are primarily undergoing erosion and other places we see sedimentation occurring. it's not random, as you claim, it is based on the details of the environment.

 

[dlamberth]

I gave support for everything I've said.

I for one have NEVER seen you give support for anything you said. You have constantly made stuff up with out ever providing support. You have to make stuff up because you don't know a lick about geology.

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[dlamberth]

And Jet, you've said that a nest was found buried 300 feet deep......I'm still waiting for an answer as to how far into the rock the nest found was, from outside of the rock.

Such vital info, conveniently enough, is missing.

You must not have read my post #770. Here is it is again. Just for you shinbits, I have cut and pasted it from this LINK:

Paleontologist Stephen Hasiotis is finding what his colleagues have long overlooked: nests, hives, and trackways that are tens of millions of years older than anyone thought they could be.​

Just north of the town of Gallup, New Mexico, is a hill of olive-colored sandstone. One late spring afternoon paleontologist Stephen Hasiotis walks up its grassy apron, crosses over onto bare rock, and loses his composure. "Oh man, oh man," he mutters. "Look at all this."

He kneels by a stub of white rock--one of many--that just barely pushes through the darker stone around it. Its surface is not the smooth, featureless face you'd expect from an exposure to wind and rain; rather it shows a mass of fine tangles, of tubes branching into more tubes or tying themselves off in blobs. The rock looks as if someone had patiently modeled it before it hardened, some 155 million years ago. And in fact, according to Hasiotis, someone did. "Termites," he says. "This was all done by termites."

Originally this hill was a sand dune in a desert; when the climate turned damper, a stabilizing soil buried the dune and eventually formed a hard brown mudstone that now sits like a cap on top of the sandstone hill.

Geologists who have visited the hill over the years assumed that the strange patches of white rock on the slopes were formed by lightning, which, in striking the sand, fused the grains into columns of a mineral known as fulgurite. But in 1995 a group of geologists noted the intricate texture of these white rocks which fulgurite doesn't have--and decided they needed to call in Hasiotis.

Hasiotis is a rare sort of paleontologist: he searches the land for evidence of animals that are unlikely to have left behind any fossilized remains. He looks for the leavings of invertebrates--such as insects, spiders, crustaceans, and worms--which, from a fossil hunter's perspective, are just made of the wrong stuff. Some are soft and pulpy; others have exoskeletons made of protein known as chitin. "Chitin's a good source of nutrition for other insects and soil critters, so the bodies break down relatively fast," Hasiotis points out. As a result, the fossil record gives paleontologists a skewed vision of the history of life on land. We know that today invertebrates are staggeringly diverse, with perhaps 5 million species of insects alone (mammals number only 4,000), and that they are essential cogs in the machinery of ecosystems: they pollinate plants, break down organic matter, help create soils, and alter the composition of the atmosphere. Presumably, terrestrial invertebrates were just as important tens or hundreds of millions of years ago, but without fossils their history is difficult to reconstruct. Still, it's not impossible: while invertebrates may not leave bones behind, they do leave permanent marks on the land in the form of trails, tunnels, nests, burrows, and other cryptic inscriptions. Recognizing these traces is a craft that only a few scientists have mastered. They are known as ichnologists--from the Greek ichnos, for "track." Hasiotis is, in a sense, a paleontological tracker.

When he first came to this hill in 1995, he could see right away that the white rocks bore the signs of ancient termite activity. In semiarid regions colonies of termites routinely set up nests around the roots of a tree or shrub. They dig out tunnels and chambers around the plant and use chewed-up wood and their own droppings to line the walls. The mound becomes a kind of insect castle, with chambers dedicated to specific purposes: some are filled with eggs, others with waste or corpses or the fungus the termites harvest for food. As the colony's population increases to a million or beyond, workers dig out more and more rooms, until eventually they build a tower up to 30 feet tall; underground, their networks may stretch more than 100 feet.

Now, as he climbs the hill, Hasiotis points out the clues that tell him these rocks were once such termite nests. He picks up loose hunks of rock lying on the sandstone that have the dribbly look of melted candle wax, and he indicates the tunnels and the pancake-shaped fungus gardens. He traces his finger over broken corridors, indicating the hair-thin walls that the termites made in the sand--material so tough that it is still visible after 155 million years. "This stuff is like termite concrete," Hasiotis says.

Because this is only the third time Hasiotis has climbed the hill, he is seeing much of it for the first time. "I still cannot believe it. I still cannot freaking believe it," he says as he stares around him. "Here's a place you could come back to for ten years and not see everything." The farther he walks, the more astounding the termite nests become. One is so wide that Hasiotis--a big man with the body of a bouncer--can't get his arms around it. Another stretches along the slope of the hillside for ten feet, twisting and branching, before diving into the ground.

Hasiotis scrambles up to the mudstone cap and finds a path down to the other, as-yet-unseen side of the hill. Dozens of mounds are strewn here as well. "This is so sick!" he shouts. A ten-foot-tall hunk of termite nest buttresses a sandstone spire. Another rivals a redwood stump in its girth. These are the biggest fossilized termite mounds ever found--and 60 million years older than the oldest fossil of an actual termite. Yet they are only a fraction of their original size. When they were inhabited by living termites, they would have reached all the way to the surface of the ground, which is marked today by the mudstone cap. Hasiotis glances downhill at the mounds and then up to the summit. "I'd guess that some of these were 170 feet long."

Sometimes Hasiotis describes ichnology as a kind of animal archeology, and there could be no better example than this hill outside Gallup. "It's a termite city," he says as he walks among the towers and broken rubble. "It's like we're in The Planet of the Apes, when Charlton Heston walks through the ruins of New York City. But here it's this great termite civilization 155 million years old."

 

[dlamberth]

Wrong. All your "evidence" is theoretical garbage which relies on rediculous chance about which you can't even logically back up.

These are pretty big words from someone who doesn't know a lick about geology.

For me, what makes this sad is that you will not even try to learn geology. What are you afraid of?

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[TasManOfGod]

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[Baggins]

You must not have read my post #770. Here is it is again. Just for you shinbits, I have cut and pasted it from this LINK:

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I think you'll find that not only has Shinbits read that post, but he has given a considered rebuttal. He said he has read it and it isn't brilliant it's retarded.

Difficult to refute such piercing insight.

I apologise in advance to those developing sarcasm meters to go with their irony meters, I hope I didn't blow any up.

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[TasManOfGod]

Wrong, many different animals and plants have developed co-dependancies over the hundreds of millions of years of life on earth,

That's ridiculous

 

[comana]

That's ridiculous

How so?

 

[notto]

Was the nest found under only a few feet of sediment? If so, that's definately not proof that nests are buried under tons of sediment then uncovered.

This shows that you don't understand geology or how we know and understand how much sediment has been moved.

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Basically, you have provided "proof" with little or no relevant info which with to say it "shows that this [my] claim is wrong."
Is that simple enough?

I don't have to provide any proo to claim that you are wrong because you have provided no proof to show that you are right.

The evidence in this very thread from dealing with the grand canyon, unconformities, devils tower, fossil nests and various layers show that your claim is not true because we have clear evidence that large amounts of sediment covered and then uncovered the structures we find.

 

[OdwinOddball]

That's ridiculous

O rly?

What about the bacteria in your digestive tract that help to break down otheriwse indigestible substances like cellulose?

What about the Clownfish that protects Sea Anemones from predators, whilst the poison tentacles of the Anemone protect the Clownfish from its predators?

Or perhaps the most symbiotic of all:

Lichen, which is not a single species of organism, but is instead a partnership between Algae and Fungi


Try reading a bit before saying silly things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiosis

 

[Baggins]

That's ridiculous

Personal incredulity is not a scientific argument. Why don't you read up on symbiosis and its development before spouting.

If you learnt something about that which you wish to criticise you could do a much better job than spluttering "ridiculous".

 

[TasManOfGod]

How so?

How can something "develop" to be codependent?

 

[comana]

How can something "develop" to be codependent?

Would evolve be a better word for you?

 

[dlamberth]

Wrong. All your "evidence" is theoretical garbage which relies on rediculous chance about which you can't even logically back up.

What in the world are you talking about?
The science of geology depends upon knowledge gained by actual field study. We have been providing you with those studies. Sadly, as we all found out, we have been wasting our time because you won't even read them.

...and, exactly when have YOU backed up anything with any sort of proof?

Because you clearly don't know geology, your fooling yourself if you truly believe you are backing up your arguments with geologic logic.

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[dlamberth]

The flood would do exactly that. It's been explained how many many times in this thread..

I've seen you talk about it, but I've never seen you explained the process. How about one more time, please explain how the flood could fossilize something in a very short time. Let's see if your explanation would fit the fossilized termite nest that are north of Gallup in New Mexico.


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[Asimov]

Wrong. All your "evidence" is theoretical garbage which relies on rediculous chance about which you can't even logically back up.

You keep saying that word, are you sure it means what you think it means?

 

[shinbits]

The evidence in this very thread from dealing with the grand canyon, unconformities, devils tower, fossil nests and various layers show that your claim is not true because we have clear evidence that large amounts of sediment covered and then uncovered the structures we find.

All the "evidence" you describe have been shown to either help the flood belief or was shown to be insufficient. Read pages 30 to 50 of this thread to see why.

 

[shinbits]

I've seen you talk about it, but I've never seen you explained the process. How about one more time, please explain how the flood could fossilize something in a very short time. Let's see if your explanation would fit the fossilized termite nest that are north of Gallup in New Mexico.

Read pages 30 to 50 of this thread.